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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:46 am 
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Can you remind me what my Conspiracy Theory is please?

Is it the one about the Trump Administration trying to divert the News Cycle from Trump's felony?

Seems to me that by coming out with an unqualified admission of responsibility, the Iranians have just successfully neutralised that.

Can we now get back to talking about Herr Trump committing a very public Federal crime, for which he should be immediately arrested.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:21 am 
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This wouldn't have happened if Obama hadn't given back the money that funded Soleimani's campaign that resulted in his targeted killing that lead to the Iranian missile attacks that put Iran on a heightened state of alert that led to this mistake.

Thanks Obama!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:53 pm 
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Holyman wrote:
Can you remind me what my Conspiracy Theory is please?


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How the fuck to get out of the Situation he created?

Oooh! A civilian airplane has just crashed at Tehran Airport!!

And since the only requirement is to convince Americans (and some other Westerners) that those crazy, stampede-crushing, backward-looking Muslamics in Iran, are just the kind of people who’d do something like this…

…Let’s get Americans focussing on the possibility that the Iranian Government deliberately or negligently allowed a civilian airplane, flying out of the main Iranian airport, to be shot out of the sky!

That’ll remind them that whilst Donald Trump may well be a certifiable psychopath: he’s clearly not as deranged as those Iranian Mullahs..!!



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:33 pm 
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That?

That's why I stand accused of wearing a tinfoil hat..?!

Read it through again. Just the bit you've quoted.

1) Trump seriously fucks up with the Soleimani assassination

2) So let's talk about a plane crash, which kiled a lot of your fellow nationals, and which clearly shows how crazy and in need of assassinating the Iranians obviously are.

See what I mean?

This is just "Message Management". It's how Governments work these days.

Do you think politicians like Trump don't try and spin information to their own advantage then?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:43 pm 
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Holyman wrote:
Can you remind me what my Conspiracy Theory is please?

Is it the one about the Trump Administration trying to divert the News Cycle from Trump's felony?



What felony are you referring to? No one in the US is seriously claiming it was a felony with Solomeini. Are you talking about the impeachment nonsense?

Trump is probably at his peak popularity in the US right now. Even most Democrats are starting to concede that he will likely win re-election in November.


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2) So let's talk about a plane crash, which kiled a lot of your fellow nationals, and which clearly shows how crazy and in need of assassinating the Iranians obviously are.


...but they actually did shoot down the plane. Which was quite obvious to anyone with an IQ higher than a fruit cup. Is the president of the united states not suppose to talk about that considering the circumstances? I mean the fact that the Americans waited as long as they did to address it at that level is clear they were not looking to escalate tensions. It would have looked absolutely ridiculous if Trump hadn't eventually stated the obvious. "he's trying to control the news cycle" ??!?!? Tensions were high. He waited till things cooled and then stated the obvious. Notice how the American's are saying it's a tragic accident and not that the Iranians are a bunch of crazy psycho's who took out a plane of tourists desperately fleeing their country. It's not even making front page news.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:21 pm 
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It's evolving into a true master stroke for Trump. Fortune favours the brave.


It really is ha!

America murders a statesman on foreign soil in peacetime and now Britain are warning Iran to be a good boy and not become a pariah state.

It's like the cheeky little murder of their 2ic was just one of those things.

Does anyone frequent Al-jazeera and know how things are being spun there?

Can you imagine if Putin had deliberately bombed a Ukrainian minister? Or poisoned some Russkis in Salisbury....


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Can you imagine if Putin had deliberately bombed a Ukrainian minister? Or poisoned some Russkis in Salisbury....


Can't imagine it at all!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:12 am 
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The UK Ambassador to Iran has just been arrested in Tehran.

Enough said?

Or is there anyone who still needs me to lay it out?

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Holyman wrote:
The UK Ambassador to Iran has just been arrested in Tehran.

Enough said?

Or is there anyone who still needs me to lay it out?

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We severed ties with that cunt-ry 7 years ago. Welcome to the club!


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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/ ... 57858.html

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PBFMullethunter wrote:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/iranian-protesters-demand-khamenei-quit-downing-plane-200111171757858.html


Exactly as Trump planned.

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Has anyone even offered thoughts and prayers?

THAT, is the true strategic genius of all this. Nobody is even sorry, but the Iranians SHOULD BE!


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When is Murrica gonna get out the Middle East anyway? Wasn't that one of Trump's objectives? Would be very interesting to see what happened next. I guess they'd just use Israel and Saudi Arabia to do the shooty stuff and funnel military hardware to whoever fitted their goals at the time.

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When is Murrica gonna get out the Middle East anyway? Wasn't that one of Trump's objectives? Would be very interesting to see what happened next. I guess they'd just use Israel and Saudi Arabia to do the shooty stuff and funnel military hardware to whoever fitted their goals at the time.


Oh they still want bases, spies, drones etc. but they plan to have all the brown people do the actual ground combat from now on. They just need to figure out how to keep said brown people loyal and not just create new al-qaedae and Ises every time.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:10 pm 
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So apparently, the UK is claiming that Iran's arrest of the British Ambassador, is "a flagrant breach of International Law."

Funny that.

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Holyman wrote:
So apparently, the UK is claiming that Iran's arrest of the British Ambassador, is "a flagrant breach of International Law."

Funny that.

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Why would that be funny there's no dispute about it. All they can really do to him is kick him out of the country.

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PBFMullethunter wrote:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/iranian-protesters-demand-khamenei-quit-downing-plane-200111171757858.html

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Meanwhile......

Trump killed the guy that helped crush the last big set of protests.....

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Meanwhile......

Trump killed the guy that helped crush the last big set of protests.....


If you kill enough folks, world peace is inevitable.


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Trump killed the guy that helped crush the last big set of protests.....


I had no idea Trump was a drone pilot in his spare time.

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MIDNIGHT wrote:
Trump killed the guy that helped crush the last big set of protests.....


I had no idea Trump was a drone pilot in his spare time.


He’s a fine drone pilot, the best of the best... ask anyone.


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On the domestic front, however, this tragic accident could have much deeper repercussions.

Just days before the flight crashed, Iran displayed an unprecedented level of unity and popular support when millions of people poured on to the streets all over the country to mourn the death of Soleimani.

This seemed to indicate that, when faced with the external threat of military confrontation, Iranians from different political and economic backgrounds could come together and put aside their divisions.

But the shooting down of flight PS752 and the subsequent denials from the authorities could lead these divisions to re-emerge and become even sharper.

While the admission of guilt could assuage some of the popular criticism towards the grave mishandling of the situation, the establishment might still be perceived as having tried to hide evidence and avoid responsibility before international pressure mounted on Iran to come clean.

This is likely to revive the divisions and unrest that erupted in November when the Iranian government approved a sharp spike in fuel prices. This move triggered large demonstrations across the country and resulted in widespread repression and the killing of at least 300 people.

While acknowledging the truth is an important first step, the Iranian people will likely demand accountability and the prosecution of those responsible, as well as the adoption of all the steps needed to ensure this does not happen again.

They will also pay attention to how the victims of the air crash are treated by the Iranian elite. An important test here is whether their funerals will result in national mourning, similar to that of Soleimani, or instead be largely ignored.

All of these demands will be added to previous grievances over the state of the economy and the limitations on some social freedoms.

Parliamentary elections are due to take place in just over a month and internal discord over this crash could lead to further unrest. Plus, tension with the West has abated but is far from over.

The way in which the government and the rest of the establishment handle the broader repercussions of this plane crash could be a watershed moment for Iran. The choices it makes are likely to reverberate throughout Iranian politics and society for months, or even years, to come.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51081826

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If you kill enough folks, world peace is inevitable.


Obama got a prize for it

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On the domestic front, however, this tragic accident could have much deeper repercussions.

Just days before the flight crashed, Iran displayed an unprecedented level of unity and popular support when millions of people poured on to the streets all over the country to mourn the death of Soleimani.

This seemed to indicate that, when faced with the external threat of military confrontation, Iranians from different political and economic backgrounds could come together and put aside their divisions.

But the shooting down of flight PS752 and the subsequent denials from the authorities could lead these divisions to re-emerge and become even sharper.

While the admission of guilt could assuage some of the popular criticism towards the grave mishandling of the situation, the establishment might still be perceived as having tried to hide evidence and avoid responsibility before international pressure mounted on Iran to come clean.

This is likely to revive the divisions and unrest that erupted in November when the Iranian government approved a sharp spike in fuel prices. This move triggered large demonstrations across the country and resulted in widespread repression and the killing of at least 300 people.

While acknowledging the truth is an important first step, the Iranian people will likely demand accountability and the prosecution of those responsible, as well as the adoption of all the steps needed to ensure this does not happen again.

They will also pay attention to how the victims of the air crash are treated by the Iranian elite. An important test here is whether their funerals will result in national mourning, similar to that of Soleimani, or instead be largely ignored.

All of these demands will be added to previous grievances over the state of the economy and the limitations on some social freedoms.

Parliamentary elections are due to take place in just over a month and internal discord over this crash could lead to further unrest. Plus, tension with the West has abated but is far from over.

The way in which the government and the rest of the establishment handle the broader repercussions of this plane crash could be a watershed moment for Iran. The choices it makes are likely to reverberate throughout Iranian politics and society for months, or even years, to come.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51081826



I've heard reports that that show of unity was not necessarily voluntary. Here's an excerpt from the left-wing rag the Washington Post

"Without doubt, Soleimani had support among hard-liners and regime loyalists. The regime is not taking any chances, though. In the city of Ahvaz, where large numbers of people turned out to mourn Soleimani, the government has forced students and officials to attend. It provided free transport and ordered shops to shut down. According to videos sent to me by people inside the country, the authorities are making little kids write essays praising the fallen commander. First-graders who didn’t know how to write were encouraged to cry for Soleimani."

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