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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:17 pm 
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On the domestic front, however, this tragic accident could have much deeper repercussions.

Just days before the flight crashed, Iran displayed an unprecedented level of unity and popular support when millions of people poured on to the streets all over the country to mourn the death of Soleimani.

This seemed to indicate that, when faced with the external threat of military confrontation, Iranians from different political and economic backgrounds could come together and put aside their divisions.

But the shooting down of flight PS752 and the subsequent denials from the authorities could lead these divisions to re-emerge and become even sharper.

While the admission of guilt could assuage some of the popular criticism towards the grave mishandling of the situation, the establishment might still be perceived as having tried to hide evidence and avoid responsibility before international pressure mounted on Iran to come clean.

This is likely to revive the divisions and unrest that erupted in November when the Iranian government approved a sharp spike in fuel prices. This move triggered large demonstrations across the country and resulted in widespread repression and the killing of at least 300 people.

While acknowledging the truth is an important first step, the Iranian people will likely demand accountability and the prosecution of those responsible, as well as the adoption of all the steps needed to ensure this does not happen again.

They will also pay attention to how the victims of the air crash are treated by the Iranian elite. An important test here is whether their funerals will result in national mourning, similar to that of Soleimani, or instead be largely ignored.

All of these demands will be added to previous grievances over the state of the economy and the limitations on some social freedoms.

Parliamentary elections are due to take place in just over a month and internal discord over this crash could lead to further unrest. Plus, tension with the West has abated but is far from over.

The way in which the government and the rest of the establishment handle the broader repercussions of this plane crash could be a watershed moment for Iran. The choices it makes are likely to reverberate throughout Iranian politics and society for months, or even years, to come.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51081826



I've heard reports that that show of unity was not necessarily voluntary. Here's an excerpt from the left-wing rag the Washington Post

"Without doubt, Soleimani had support among hard-liners and regime loyalists. The regime is not taking any chances, though. In the city of Ahvaz, where large numbers of people turned out to mourn Soleimani, the government has forced students and officials to attend. It provided free transport and ordered shops to shut down. According to videos sent to me by people inside the country, the authorities are making little kids write essays praising the fallen commander. First-graders who didn’t know how to write were encouraged to cry for Soleimani."


Unlikely to explain everyone present.

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I've heard reports that that show of unity was not necessarily voluntary. Here's an excerpt from the left-wing rag the Washington Post

"Without doubt, Soleimani had support among hard-liners and regime loyalists. The regime is not taking any chances, though. In the city of Ahvaz, where large numbers of people turned out to mourn Soleimani, the government has forced students and officials to attend. It provided free transport and ordered shops to shut down. According to videos sent to me by people inside the country, the authorities are making little kids write essays praising the fallen commander. First-graders who didn’t know how to write were encouraged to cry for Soleimani."


Unlikely to explain everyone present.


It does explain the sudden shift from everybody chanting "Death to America" and crying for Soleimani seemingly united to large anti-government protests in Tehran and the mullahs backing off from their lies over the shootdown.

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Yep. Definitely a sea change. They may even start bowing to D.C. 5 times a day.


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I've heard reports that that show of unity was not necessarily voluntary. Here's an excerpt from the left-wing rag the Washington Post

"Without doubt, Soleimani had support among hard-liners and regime loyalists. The regime is not taking any chances, though. In the city of Ahvaz, where large numbers of people turned out to mourn Soleimani, the government has forced students and officials to attend. It provided free transport and ordered shops to shut down. According to videos sent to me by people inside the country, the authorities are making little kids write essays praising the fallen commander. First-graders who didn’t know how to write were encouraged to cry for Soleimani."


Unlikely to explain everyone present.


It does explain the sudden shift from everybody chanting "Death to America" and crying for Soleimani seemingly united to large anti-government protests in Tehran and the mullahs backing off from their lies over the shootdown.


No it doesn't.

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"The commander of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard whined on Sunday that he wished he was on the downed Ukrainian passenger jet so he could avoid the shame of making such a colossal mistake.

“I swear to almighty God that I wished I was on that plane and had crashed with them and burned but had not witnessed this tragic incident,” Gen. Hossein Salami said in an emotional speech to Iran’s parliament. “I have never been this embarrassed in my entire life. Never.”

The Revolutionary Guard admitted on Saturday that it mistakenly shot down the Ukrainian airliner on Wednesday, killing all 176 people on board, shortly after it took off from an airport in Tehran.

The admission came after days of denials by the Iranian government and prompted protests across Iran by Iranians who have called for Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to step down."


What happened to this being a scientific and possibility..... :-?

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General Salami doesn't sound very sincere.

Holywoman's friends in the Acting Profession would call him a bit of a ham.

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General Salami doesn't sound very sincere.

Holywoman's friends in the Acting Profession would call him a bit of a ham.

:-"


Isn’t salami made from pork? :-?

How does that work in the Islamic Revolutionary Republic?


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General Salami doesn't sound very sincere.

Holywoman's friends in the Acting Profession would call him a bit of a ham.

:-"


Isn’t salami made from pork? :-?

How does that work in the Islamic Revolutionary Republic?



Probably use camel or donkey.

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Holyman wrote:
General Salami doesn't sound very sincere.

Holywoman's friends in the Acting Profession would call him a bit of a ham.

:-"


But hams are one of the more entertaining types of actors. Ask William Shatner.

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General Salami doesn't sound very sincere.

Holywoman's friends in the Acting Profession would call him a bit of a ham.

:-"


But hams are one of the more entertaining types of actors. Ask William Shatner.




Sir William of Shatner is a legend .

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:58 pm 
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Iranian students and protesters refuse to walk on US and Israeli flags as they demand the ouster of the Mullahs.

Where is Solomeini when you need him to put these kids down with bullets?

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Incredible foresight by Trump who clearly knew it would pan out like this.

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Incredible foresight by Trump who clearly knew it would pan out like this.


Trump definitely marks a turning point in human civilization.


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Just because lobbing Murrican freedom grenades into the Middle East has gone terribly wrong so far doesn't mean it won't work this time. I'm optimistic.

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Incredible foresight by Trump who clearly knew it would pan out like this.


Anyone who pays a little bit of attention to Iran should know the Mullahs are not too popular with the people.

There were mass protests against the Regime just a few months ago and the Mullahs dispatched Solomeini and his IRGC goons to kill thousands of protesters.

There were mass protests in Iran against the Regime during the Obama years, but Obama ignored the protesters to cozy up with the Mullahs to try and get the Iran nuke deal.


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Just because lobbing Murrican freedom grenades into the Middle East has gone terribly wrong so far doesn't mean it won't work this time. I'm optimistic.


Taking out Solomeini could be equated to putting a pin back into a grenade and preventing it from going off.

Solomeini and the IRGC have been whipping up sectarian division in the Middle East (largely unchecked) for the last 15+ years.


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Yep, there have been thousands protesting the mullahs.

Can you imagine if thousands of Americans were opposed to the Trump administration? He'd be gone, just like that.


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Yep, there have been thousands protesting the mullahs.

Can you imagine if thousands of Americans were opposed to the Trump administration? He'd be gone, just like that.


Sure - if the American protesters were dodging bullets, torture and incarceration like the Iranians protesters are doing.


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None of this would be happening if every Iranian had a gun.


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Journalists quit Iranian state broadcaster over crash cover-up
Presenter Gellare Jabbari apologised to Iranians ‘for the 13 years I told you lies’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... h-cover-up


Iran's sole female Olympic medalist says she's defected
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/12/middleea ... index.html

I don't think (hope) this Regime is long for this world.

But since the Ayatollahs have all the guns and are willing to kill thousands of protesters all the while useful idiots in Europe, UK and North America defend the Theocracy against Orange Man Bad, I am afraid they will hang onto power and keep their people enslaved and the Region embroiled in sectarian war.


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And if the Regime falls, what next?

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And if the Regime falls, what next?


Hopefully something better.

As far as I know, there are no other groups in Iran that are more extremist than the Mullahs. So it is not the same as Iraq where we had a secular psycho like Saddam keeping the religious crazies at bay and have the threat of the extremists filling the void.


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And if the Regime falls, what next?


Hopefully something better.

As far as I know, there are no other groups in Iran that are more extremist than the Mullahs. So it is not the same as Iraq where we had a secular psycho like Saddam keeping the religious crazies at bay and have the threat of the extremists filling the void.


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And Foota is one of the more intelligent ones...

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