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UN 'prepares for the worst' after Trump steps aside to let Turkey invade Syria: Erdogan is warned not to allow 'Srebrenica-style' killing as he vows to stamp out 'terrorists' amid warnings civilians will be killed - as Kurds claim they have been 'stabbed in the back' by US president's surprise move

    Turkish government plans to invade Northern Syria and take into custody all ISIS fighters captured over the past two years
    The US announced it will remove all of its forces from the 'immediate area'
    Two observation posts in northern Syria have been evacuated by US troops
    Kurds said they had been 'stabbed in the back' by Trump washing his hands of the region
    Trump defended the US withdrawal by tweeting that '...the Kurds will now have to figure the situation out'
    United Nations said it is 'preparing for the worst' from Turkey's Syria operation as fears of ethnic cleansing were sparked
    Syrian Democratic Forces warned, 'we will not hesitate to turn any unprovoked attack by Turkey into an all-out war on the entire border'
    US withdrawal from the planned area of operations could take one week and Ankara is likely to wait for this in order to avoid 'any accident'

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Even Fox News hasn't been sounding happy about this one.

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Why do Asian countries get perpetual Murrica and not Middle Eastern ones?


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Trump wrote:
As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!).


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I'm sure that'll reassure the Kurds.

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Instead of freaking out about what Trump's doing. Why don't you properly criticize Turkey for what the fuck they're doing?

Seriously, sitting in your living room watching TV hating what the US is doing because it's involved in other countries affairs politically & militarily, only to lose your mind when those troops are pulled out?

do you want the US to go home and mind their own business or you want them to play world police?

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MIDNIGHT wrote:
Instead of freaking out about what Trump's doing. Why don't you properly criticize Turkey for what the fuck they're doing?

Seriously, sitting in your living room watching TV hating what the US is doing because it's involved in other countries affairs politically & militarily, only to lose your mind when those troops are pulled out?

do you want the US to go home and mind their own business or you want them to play world police?



It's the pile of shit they leave behind that's the issue.. You're supposed to make things better not worse. But all you leave is worse.

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barcelona wrote:
MIDNIGHT wrote:
Instead of freaking out about what Trump's doing. Why don't you properly criticize Turkey for what the fuck they're doing?

Seriously, sitting in your living room watching TV hating what the US is doing because it's involved in other countries affairs politically & militarily, only to lose your mind when those troops are pulled out?

do you want the US to go home and mind their own business or you want them to play world police?


It's the pile of shit they leave behind that's the issue.. You're supposed to make things better not worse. But all you leave is worse.



Please go do another bong hit dude. Trump exterminated isis. He's not leaving it worse.

Not that I ever had any love for Assad, his regime and the previous status quo. But Obama, who you absolutely love, had a big hand in this shit show. (To be clear I'm not blaming Obama alone, But Trump's trying to do the right thing and pull out.)

So what do you want? The US there military for the next 20 years or the US to mind it's own business? Pick one of the other you can't bitch about both.

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I kinda like Obama’s approach: Speak softly, but carry a big Wedding Blaster 3000 drone.


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PBFMullethunter wrote:
I kinda like Obama’s approach: Speak softly, but carry a big Wedding Blaster 3000 drone.



Well if you get lucky and we elect Biden it's even going to be more of that.

During Iraq, Biden wanted even more drones. He thought you could completely fight a war that way.

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"Joe Biden’s policy on drones

Should the military fly drones over foreign countries to gain intelligence and kill suspected terrorists?
PUBLIC STATEMENTS: Yes

Joe Biden’s answer is based on the following data:

PUBLIC STATEMENTS
Answer: Yes

Reference: “ Vice President Joe Biden recommended that the administration rely primarily on drones or missile attacks against al-Qaeda lead...” ‐ontheissues.org"

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MIDNIGHT wrote:
Instead of freaking out about what Trump's doing. Why don't you properly criticize Turkey for what the fuck they're doing?


*adds Turkey to Trump Deflection List alongside Democrats, MSM, Liberals*

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MIDNIGHT wrote:
But Obama


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Turkey is in NATO.

Trump could save the Kurds by the simple expedient of threatening to expel Turkey from NATO.

Why doesn't he?

Also:

Nobody at the OP is trying to defend the Turkish Government.

So not much sport to be found criticising Erdogan, is there?

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As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!).


HAHAHAHHA,, holy fuck, this man's narcissism knows no bounds.

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Do you think he thinks he's becoming The Great and Powerful Oz?

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The US withdrawal from northern Syria creates the perfect climate for war crimes

Donald Trump’s rash and foolish decision to pull the remaining US ground troops out of northeast Syria is a shocking betrayal of the Kurdish forces that were instrumental in destroying the Islamic State “caliphate”. It opens the way for a vicious, protracted struggle between the Kurds and Turkey’s military, which is poised to cross the border. And that in turn presages more civilian suffering in a country that has seen far too much during the past eight years.

Trump’s impromptu order was taken against the advice of his generals and diplomats and without prior consultation with allies such as the UK that have forces in the field. It came following a telephone conversation with Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Turkey’s president, on Sunday evening. Trump tried last year to withdraw US forces but was thwarted at the time. Now he has got his myopic, capricious way. Erdoğan has been pushing for months to create what he terms a “safe zone” on Syrian territory 20 miles deep by 300 miles long. For him, too, altruism is not a motive.

Erdoğan has three aims, all problematic. One is to force the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), which comprise about 60,000 fighters, away from Turkey’s southern border. Erdoğan vilifies the SDF as terrorists in cahoots with the PKK – the Turkey- and Iraq-based Kurdistan Workers’ party that Ankara has been fighting for decades. The terrorist tag is not remotely accurate. But demonising all Kurds as enemies of the state is a familiar tactic used by Erdoğan to bolster his divisive, dictatorial nationalist agenda.

Second, Erdoğan has plans to return, by force if necessary, many if not most of the 3-4 million Syrian refugees who have entered Turkey since 2011. His ruling AKP party and its ultra-nationalist allies have encouraged growing anti-migrant sentiment, effectively expelling these refugees from the larger cities. They’re happy that blame for Turkey’s faltering economy, high unemployment and social tensions can be directed at Syrians and other foreigners rather than at their own corrupt, repressive and incompetent management.

Erdoğan is also badly in need of a political and strategic success after a series of domestic reverses, including the AKP’s humiliating loss of Turkey’s two biggest cities, Istanbul and Ankara, in recent elections. Talk grows of an end to the Erdoğan era – something he cannot abide. Erdoğan also hopes to correct the mess he has previously made of his Syria policy. He initially courted the Damascus regime after 2011, then turned against it, then colluded with Russia and Iran – Bashar al-Assad’s main backers. That put him at odds, latterly, with Washington, Turkey’s key Nato ally.

In the gullible, geopolitically ignorant Trump, however, Erdoğan has found a friend and like-minded instinctive authoritarian. It’s plain Trump would rather give Erdoğan – a co-collaborator with his Moscow mate, Vladimir Putin – what he wants than keep faith with the Kurds. This unlovely, three-way gangster-partnership now presages a world of problems in Syria. One possible consequence is that the Kurds, their loyalty and sacrifices again repaid with betrayal, will cut a self-preservatory deal with Assad – or, alternatively, that their thwarted drive for an independent state will revive.

Dangerous, too, is the boost the US retreat potentially gives to Isis. The jihadists, down but not out despite Trump’s self-serving claims of victory, are already said to be regrouping in northern Iraq. Fears grow that detention and refugee camps in eastern Syria where tens of thousands of Isis militants, supporters and families, including about 2,000 foreign fighters, are held under Kurdish guard may be compromised – and could become recruiting centres for Isis redux. The White House says the Turks will take charge. Given their record of covert dealings with jihadists, that’s a big, reckless, overly optimistic gamble.

Renewed fighting in northeast Syria, potentially spreading westwards to areas such as Afrin – seized in an earlier Turkish incursion – and even to besieged, war-ravaged Idlib, threatens yet another humanitarian disaster. What Turkey now proposes, with Trump’s blessing, amounts to the forcible repatriation of hundreds of thousands of defenceless civilians into what may soon be, or already is, a war zone. Don’t be fooled by US-Turkish spin. It’s not safe. And it’s not right. This is a war crime in the making.

Viewed more broadly, the US’s contemptible retreat, and Turkey’s illegal land-grab, represent the final, miserable collapse of western policy in Syria. It marks the abandonment of any remaining pretence that the US and Europe have the will, the commitment and the humanity to rescue the Syrian people from a murderous regime, make good on the reform promises of the Arab spring, and create a viable path to democratic self-governance.

Even more so than Iraq after the 2003 invasion, Syria has become the epic failure of our age. Thanks to those geostrategic mobsters Trump and Erdoğan, with a big assist from smarter-by-far Putin, the country faces informal partition into highly conflicted, de facto Turkish, Iranian, Russian, Israeli and jihadist areas of influence and control; a repugnant regime in Damascus of mass murderers and assassins will escape justice; and the dream of an inclusive democracy is dashed.

For Syrians of all backgrounds and beliefs, a paradoxically permanent instability is the new normal. And, since you ask, is there any point demanding that the UK and Europe take a stand and, at last gasp, resist this foul denouement? Not really. It’s too late now. The Syrian failure is printed on all of our foreheads. It indelibly shames us all.

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I've met a fair few people of late who have gone to Turkey for dental treatment and hair transplants. It's a lot cheaper out there apparently.

Just thought I'd mention that.

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Holyman wrote:
Nobody at the OP is trying to defend the Turkish Government.

So not much sport to be found criticising Erdogan, is there?


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