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 Post subject: Venezuela: Revolt!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:38 pm 
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As we speak


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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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More infos plox; I don't read the news.


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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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Viva la revolución!

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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:20 pm 
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Did they kick those assholes out yet?


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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:06 pm 
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I'm reading that it's likely to fizzle out.

Murrica to the rescue?

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I'm reading that it's likely to fizzle out.

Murrica to the rescue?



Cause the Cubans and the Russians are propping it all up

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PBFMullethunter wrote:
More infos plox; I don't read the news.




Update: Still in progress....

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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 8:16 am 
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If at first you don't succeed, eh?

See, the conceit is that the democratically-elected Venezuelan Government lead by Nicolas Maduro, is doing terrible, terrible harm to the People and Nation of Venezuela.

But it seems that this is an opinion only shared by the U.S. Government and its satraps; not by the majority of Venezuelans, or (critically) by the Venezuelan Military.

Because this is the second overt attempt (by the United States, in the last three months...) to overthrow the government of the nation that has the largest oil reserves in the World.

And it looks like another failure.

Because the Venezuelan People and its Military Forces do not want as President, someone they didn't know existed six months ago, and who is entirely (and proudly) the tool of the U.S. Government.

But... You know... Maybe it will be Third Time Lucky..?

Really though...

If you were able to accurately canvas the Human Population of our Planet, and ask them which National Government they would *REALLY* like to see displaced by a Coup d'Etat...

...How many would choose Venezuela over the United States of America?

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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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I'm gonna wait a year before reading anything about this so I know what is REALLY happening.

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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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Very wise.

All you need to know at the moment is that the United States appears to be failing yet again to foment a Coup d'Etat in Venezuela.

But I suppose we have to admire the persistence...

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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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Here we go again, Holyman thinking he speaks for the Rest of the World when the Rest of the World sans a few dictator types has cast their lot in with Guiado.

The entirety of South America minus Evo Morales of Bolivia is against Maduro. The entirety of central and North America minus Cuba is against Maduro. The EU is against Maduro.

All these people against Maduro and his rigged "election" and Holyman thinks it's some US plot for oil? Venezuelan crude is worthless to us anymore, the fracking boom put an end to that dependency.

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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 6:37 pm 
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SomeGuy wrote:
The entirety of South America minus Evo Morales of Bolivia is against Maduro. The entirety of central and North America minus Cuba is against Maduro. The EU is against Maduro.

All these people against Maduro and his rigged "election" and Holyman thinks it's some US plot for oil? Venezuelan crude is worthless to us anymore, the fracking boom put an end to that dependency.


This.

The only countries in the "Rest of the World" that recognize Maduro as legitimate are the Cubans, Russians, Chinese, Iranians and some pasty white bitter old Marxists in Europe and North America. What a lovely group!

That said, I'll admit that I have learned some hard lessons over the years. The Venezuelan people were stupid enough to put Chavez and Maduro in power falling for the siren sound of Socialism and free shit. The Venezuelans let Chavez and Maduro take all of their guns as they dismantled the courts, media and any political opposition. If the Venezuelans want to continue eating their zoo animals to stay alive, they can stick with their failed Socialist governing system. Otherwise they need to stand up.

America needs to hurry up and build the wall to keep the Socialist battle damage from crossing our borders.


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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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Actually, my primary point was that the People and Military of Venezuela recognise him as their President.

So it kinda doesn't really matter what any other foreign governments think, does it.

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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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Holyman wrote:
Actually, my primary point was that the People and Military of Venezuela recognise him as their President.

So it kinda doesn't really matter what any other foreign governments think, does it.

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As long as the people with the guns (military) support the dictatorship - it's all legit and very Democratic!

Good thing the dictatorship banned private ownership of guns back in 2012! It is easier for them to run over crowds of protesters.
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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 9:10 pm 
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:-? What’s oil got to do with it?

U.S. is energy independent.....didnt you get the memo on the miracle that is fracking.... :-?

Them selling oil only helps OPEC and drives down prices.

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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 9:15 pm 
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There Is No Coup in Venezuela
The uprising in Caracas is an attempt to restore the government’s legitimacy, not overthrow it.

Guaido himself, actually, is the other main reason the rebellion in Venezuela is not a coup: The interim president, who is recognized by the U.S. and dozens of other nations, has democratic legitimacy. Maduro is responsible for this turn of events. In May 2018, Maduro won a so-called election that no serious outside observer found to be free or fair. His second term began on Jan. 10, which is when Venezuela’s Supreme Court in exile ruled that Maduro had exceeded his authority by staying in power after his legitimate term in office.

The bottom line is that, after Jan. 10, a sequence of events began that ended with Guaido invoking a provision of the Venezuelan constitution that makes the leader of the National Assembly interim president when the presidency is vacated.

Compare Guaido’s respect for the rule of law to Maduro’s. Since the opposition won a majority in the National Assembly in 2015, Maduro has delegitimized that institution, replacing it with an emergency body that was initially created to change the constitution. Maduro has also packed the courts, arrested his opponents and assumed more power. All the while, he has put his country in hock to loans from China and Russia, while allowing Cuba to staff the top levels of his security and intelligence services.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... r-business


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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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There Is No Coup in Venezuela
The uprising in Caracas is an attempt to restore the government’s legitimacy, not overthrow it.

Guaido himself, actually, is the other main reason the rebellion in Venezuela is not a coup: The interim president, who is recognized by the U.S. and dozens of other nations, has democratic legitimacy. Maduro is responsible for this turn of events. In May 2018, Maduro won a so-called election that no serious outside observer found to be free or fair. His second term began on Jan. 10, which is when Venezuela’s Supreme Court in exile ruled that Maduro had exceeded his authority by staying in power after his legitimate term in office.

The bottom line is that, after Jan. 10, a sequence of events began that ended with Guaido invoking a provision of the Venezuelan constitution that makes the leader of the National Assembly interim president when the presidency is vacated.

Compare Guaido’s respect for the rule of law to Maduro’s. Since the opposition won a majority in the National Assembly in 2015, Maduro has delegitimized that institution, replacing it with an emergency body that was initially created to change the constitution. Maduro has also packed the courts, arrested his opponents and assumed more power. All the while, he has put his country in hock to loans from China and Russia, while allowing Cuba to staff the top levels of his security and intelligence services.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... r-business



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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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I'm with Holyman on this
Let's fuck off

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I'm with Holyman on this
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>*^*< I’m just waiting to see when roasting cats over trash fires turns into eating people.....

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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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What is it about Communism and starvation, anyway? :hoff


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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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PBFMullethunter wrote:
What is it about Communism and starvation, anyway? :hoff


Yeah, they seem to be very good at it, disproving Foota's notion that communist nations are inefficient and poorly run.


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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 4:26 am 
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I'm glad the government took away all the guns
Think of all the lives saved
The people are more secure
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Still with Holyman tho
It's not our fight

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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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Htown0666 wrote:
It's not our fight


Not our fight yet. It's the Venezuelans' fight right now. It however IS our concern what happens as they're headed into being a Somalia right in our own backyard as opposed to the other side of the world.

And if it descends too far, what then? Do we just say fuck off and leave it alone when boats full of refugees start heading for Puerto Rico? Do we just say fuck off and leave it alone when mass migrant caravans fleeing the place run all the way through Colombia, Panama, Costa Rica and into Mexico on their way here? Do we just say fuck off and leave it alone when the political and economic ripple effects of their collapse starts taking a toll across the Americas including here?

That is why we simply cannot leave it alone, we may not intervene now but we cannot be absolved of all duty to help in the long run. And helping Venezuela means Maduro has to leave...

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 Post subject: Re: Venezuela: Revolt!
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Even if he is forced out, the place will continue to be corrupt as fuck.

Why not just bomb them with burritos and apples?

Also, what are the current sanctions for anyway? I forget.


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And if it descends too far, what then?

Have a Coke and a smile

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