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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:20 pm 
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I've seen the light after reading Holyman's Pollution posts and watching the Global Warming riots in Paris and am ready to go full-on tree-hugger with a plug in car.

My Hyundai Sonata lease is up at the end of the month and was thinking about getting into a Volkswagen Passat GT V6 or some of the 4 cylinder Turbo model sedans from Mazda, Hyundai and Honda. We already have a Honda Odyssey minivan to schlep the kids and my surfboards around. So I just need something to get me to work and back.

One of my co-workers (who owns a Chevy Volt and is also a Cessna pilot and RC and Drone enthusiast) has been working on me hard to go the EV route. He absolutely loves his 3 year old Volt and is convinced that the majority of autos in the next 20 years will be electric due to the performance and simplicity as the technology advances.

I've always wanted a Tesla based on my experience driving them, but they were far too expensive. But then I started researching the Chevy Bolt and the new Hyundai Kona EV that is coming out in a few weeks in California and am very impressed. I test drove a Bolt on Friday and the thing is very quick and torquey (200 HP and 266lb of torque). It was way faster than the V6 and 2.0Turbos I've test drove. It also has about a 250 mile range battery so it is perfect for my 50 mile roundtrip commute and I have a garage where I can charge it a couple times a week. The interior is kind of meh, and definitely smaller than my current sedan, but it would easily fit the wife and kids and some bags in the trunk.

I think the Hyundai Kona EV looks better with a much better interior and I already have a Hyundai - so hoping they work me a deal at the end of the year when I turn my car in. Just don't know if they will be available in December.

If I have to pay super high taxes to live in California, I will gladly take the combined $10K in Federal/State incentives which will knock the price down to about $25-28K US and then save about $170/month in gas. So it makes economic sense along with having a super fun and fast car to drive. I would also get a carpool sticker too.

This is the type of environmentalism I can get behind. Saving money and getting better performance!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:51 pm 
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Almost a couple of years ago I grabbed a Rav4 Hybrid. It's tits. If I had to buy now I'd definitely look at the EV's, whereas, two years ago they didn't make much sense. Their range tanks in the cold. Some cool things about hybrids that translate to EV's...don't need new brakes...pretty much ever. Engine brakes and all that mean my buddies with 10 year old hybrids are at less than 50% wear on their brakes. My wife sucks at braking and it felt like I was doing a brake job every year on our Legacy GT. That point alone had me sold. Oil Changes...never (I need to do it every 15 thousand km...). They generally come fully fucking loaded...which means you're getting all the safety features and tech shit. For the Rav4 hybrid it was cheaper to get that than the regular one with the tech package.

I'm not a car person. Don't like doing my own brakes or oil changes. Shit doesn't bring me enjoyment so the less hassle a car gives me the better. I've got a Hyundai too and if that died now I'd be looking at plug in hybrids. Still want the gas engine in case cause like I said batteries up here go to shit in -20. Not an issue in Cali so go full EV. I think you would be utterly retarded to not seriously look at an EV at this point.

....kinda disappointed the hydrogen cars never took off...that always seemed to make more sense to me...

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I'm hoping by the time my Jetta conks out there will be a "no-brainer" EV option that's cheap and reliable and good enough, like an electric Corolla or whatever. I don't even care if it's ugly, it just has to not break down or need a super expensive battery replacement after 5 years.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:18 pm 
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It's amazing how far the technology has come just in the last few years. Another co-worker of mine has the Nissan Leaf but only has about a 70 mile range, so he gets "range anxiety" all of the time and his wife usually drives it as they have a charging station at work. He said they have already lost about 20 mile range after 3 years. Apparently the liquid heating/cooling for the battery in the Bolts and Teslas (not available in the Leaf's) do a pretty good job of maintaining the battery life and Chevy warranties the battery for 8 years I think.

I have alot of hills in my neighborhood which is hell on the brakes but super fun to jam up and down if you have power. So I am definitely interested in the brake regeneration and reducing brake maintenance, along with eliminating oil changes, transmission flushes........just need to rotate the tires and maybe a cabin filter change at 4 years.

I am considering just leasing again as I am sure the technology will only improve in the next few years and don't want to be stuck with a lower end EV when lots of new and better ones are coming out each year.


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Do Tesla replace the batteries under warranty after they wear and the range drops?

There's no way I can afford one, but even if I could there's plenty of reports from owners in the UK that getting repairs done is a nightmare due to a lack of parts and places to get it done. Long waiting times to get even simple jobs done apparently.

I'd get a Volkswagen e-Golf if I was going pure EV, or wait for the inevitable VW e-Passet.

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Whichever car you do, better make sure it can do 300 miles or more without recharging.

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Whichever car you do, better make sure it can do 300 miles or more without recharging.


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The furthest I go remotely frequently in the car is about 50 miles. Even on a round trip I don't need much more than a 100 for frequent use. Anything more is an occasional bonus.

Trips into London and the coast are always by train.

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Slacks wrote:
The furthest I go remotely frequently in the car is about 50 miles.


*farthest


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Do Tesla replace the batteries under warranty after they wear and the range drops?

There's no way I can afford one, but even if I could there's plenty of reports from owners in the UK that getting repairs done is a nightmare due to a lack of parts and places to get it done. Long waiting times to get even simple jobs done apparently.

I'd get a Volkswagen e-Golf if I was going pure EV, or wait for the inevitable VW e-Passet.


I believe Tesla offers battery warranties and extended warranties for extra money. One of my clients has a 6-7 year old Tesla S that he has now paid off and still on the original batteries with no appreciable degradation that he is aware of.

I hear you about the cost of repairs since Tesla doesn't have a huge network of dealers and repair shops like all of the bigger automotive firms. I heard that insurance for the lower end Tesla 3 is comparable to that of a Porsche. That is one of the reasons why I am considering getting an EV from Chevy or Hyundai since they have such a massive network of dealers and repair shops.

Based on everything I have read at this point, I would prefer the Hyundai Kona EV - just don't know if it will be available in time for me to buy this month and still get the $10K credit in Q1 next year. So I may opt to do a short 3 year lease on a Bolt and see what the industry cooks up next.

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Leasing makes sense until these things go truly mainstream.


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PBFMullethunter wrote:
Slacks wrote:
The furthest I go remotely frequently in the car is about 50 miles.


*farthest


Thank you. I appreciate the correction.

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PBFMullethunter wrote:
Leasing makes sense until these things go truly mainstream.


My co-worker who has the Nissan Leaf did a 3 year lease and they are happy it is almost up since the range is so limited.

The trick is getting Mrs. Foota's buy in. She was kind of meh about the Bolt interior and was in the backseat during the test drive with a migraine headache last week.

I'll be driving it 90% of the time, but she will miss the little luxuries we currently have with the Sonata like having the ability to save seat settings, big moon-roof etc.


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PBFMullethunter wrote:
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Whichever car you do, better make sure it can do 300 miles or more without recharging.


In -40 up a steep cliff with bears chasing you.


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I got a lease proposal from Chevy for the "Premier" model Bolt yesterday. Nothing down, 12,000 miles a year for 3 years.

After I factor in that I will owe Hyundai about $1,000 for going over my miles and the $2,500 credit from California and the monthly gas savings. My monthly lease bill is going to be around $250/month which is over $100 cheaper than what I am paying now to lease a Hyundai Sonata Limited.

I still plan on going to Hyundai on December 26th (my lease is up on the 28th) and see if they can work me a deal for the Kona EV even though it may take a few months to get one where they will need to extend my current lease. Otherwise, I will be more than happy to drive a Chevy Bolt for the next 3 years and save $100 a month.


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Slacks wrote:
Do Tesla replace the batteries under warranty after they wear and the range drops?



No, they strap them to a rocket and fire them into space.

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Get a Ford Raptor and then get a MAGA wrap on it

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Get a Mini and retrofit it with pedals and a dynamo.


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Get a Ford Raptor and then get a MAGA wrap on it


Have to say, what with voting Democrat last month, and now barely considering buying a car made by a U.S. company, I'm really beginning to question Foota's commitment to making America great again.

Also: "EV"?

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Holyman wrote:

Also: "EV"?

:-??


Electric Vehicle I think.

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Ah.

Ta.

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However in Barcy's case it means 'Extra Viagra'

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Or Extra Virgin in yours....

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Or Extra Virgin in yours....


Are you saying I've been doing it wrong all these years? p@:>

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I've said before how electric motors are inherently simpler and more efficient, but our battery tech is the main inefficiency in cost and weight.

For years I've wanted to make an electric conversion of an old body on frame American boat. Place the batteries between the frame, (where exhaust and drivetrain used to be) and have 4 engines with reduction gears (one for each wheel) to have AWD with no parasitic loss from mechanical transmissions or differentials.

This is exactly what the start-up company Rivian ended up doing with their electric pickup/SUV. which has ~ 750 combined hp and does 0-60 in 3 seconds.

That's the same acceleration as a 3.7 million dollar Pagani....

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