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 Post subject: Re: Pollution
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:11 am 
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I'm going to make sure Foota gets his natural gas without using trucks or trains all whilst getting a tax exemption for wildlife
Anyone need carbon credits?

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 Post subject: Re: Pollution
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:17 am 
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Public transportation is ineffective in the US owing to its geographic size. Bus fare alone is preposterous if you're traveling interstate, it cost about as much as cheap airfare. And it's much slower than air.

Same with trains.

But driving is pretty much just the cost of fuel and how long you want to take to get there. No schedules other than your own, no security checkpoints other than what you make them to be, no relying on specific infrastructure other than a simple road and you have a much wider variety of food on the way.

Plus, many areas of the country have long distances between towns, there's no way in Hell you're gonna have regular and frequent bus or train runs between say Colorado Springs and Pueblo. Too much distance to have regular and frequent service. You'd be running stuff every 2 hours at most frequent.


Some times life out of Colorado might be a good thing


SG’s actually right about this. Outside of New Yawk, you kinda (really) need a car. Canaduh is the same.

Oh, and I take pubic transit sometimes - it would be fine if I was closer to the city but I’m in a mixed suburban/agricultural kinda place and it SUCKS FUCKING ASS. I generally don’t have four hours to get to a destination that is ia 20 minute drive away.


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Public transportation is ineffective in the US owing to its geographic size. Bus fare alone is preposterous if you're traveling interstate, it cost about as much as cheap airfare. And it's much slower than air.

Same with trains.

But driving is pretty much just the cost of fuel and how long you want to take to get there. No schedules other than your own, no security checkpoints other than what you make them to be, no relying on specific infrastructure other than a simple road and you have a much wider variety of food on the way.

Plus, many areas of the country have long distances between towns, there's no way in Hell you're gonna have regular and frequent bus or train runs between say Colorado Springs and Pueblo. Too much distance to have regular and frequent service. You'd be running stuff every 2 hours at most frequent.


Some times life out of Colorado might be a good thing


SG’s actually right about this. Outside of New Yawk, you kinda (really) need a car. Canaduh is the same.

Oh, and I take pubic transit sometimes - it would be fine if I was closer to the city but I’m in a mixed suburban/agricultural kinda place and it SUCKS FUCKING ASS. I generally don’t have four hours to get to a destination that is ia 20 minute drive away.



Ok we don't but millions of people rely on the railways for getting to work and back and etc....

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barcelona wrote:
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Some times life out of Colorado might be a good thing


SG’s actually right about this. Outside of New Yawk, you kinda (really) need a car. Canaduh is the same.

Oh, and I take pubic transit sometimes - it would be fine if I was closer to the city but I’m in a mixed suburban/agricultural kinda place and it SUCKS FUCKING ASS. I generally don’t have four hours to get to a destination that is ia 20 minute drive away.



Ok we don't but millions of people rely on the railways for getting to work and back and etc....


In North America? Not so much. I mean the Amtrak from Seattle to Vancouver runs right by my house and I can see Murricans on it as it goes by, but that’s just holidays and special business trips. Not sure anyone would use that shit for commuting, too slow.


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PBFMullethunter wrote:
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SG’s actually right about this. Outside of New Yawk, you kinda (really) need a car. Canaduh is the same.

Oh, and I take pubic transit sometimes - it would be fine if I was closer to the city but I’m in a mixed suburban/agricultural kinda place and it SUCKS FUCKING ASS. I generally don’t have four hours to get to a destination that is ia 20 minute drive away.



Ok we don't but millions of people rely on the railways for getting to work and back and etc....


In North America? Not so much. I mean the Amtrak from Seattle to Vancouver runs right by my house and I can see Murricans on it as it goes by, but that’s just holidays and special business trips. Not sure anyone would use that shit for commuting, too slow.



We're getting the fast trains.


Murricu needs to catch up .but then again Murricu is in the past.

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 Post subject: Re: Pollution
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barcelona wrote:

We're getting the fast trains.


Murricu needs to catch up .but then again Murricu is in the past.


Are you kidding? They have Hyperloop!


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 Post subject: Re: Pollution
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:29 am 
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PBFMullethunter wrote:
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We're getting the fast trains.


Murricu needs to catch up .but then again Murricu is in the past.


Are you kidding? They have Hyperloop!



And self landing rockets n stuffs..



What a crock..

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 Post subject: Re: Pollution
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PBFMullethunter wrote:
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PBFMullethunter wrote:

SG’s actually right about this. Outside of New Yawk, you kinda (really) need a car. Canaduh is the same.

Oh, and I take pubic transit sometimes - it would be fine if I was closer to the city but I’m in a mixed suburban/agricultural kinda place and it SUCKS FUCKING ASS. I generally don’t have four hours to get to a destination that is ia 20 minute drive away.



Ok we don't but millions of people rely on the railways for getting to work and back and etc....


In North America? Not so much. I mean the Amtrak from Seattle to Vancouver runs right by my house and I can see Murricans on it as it goes by, but that’s just holidays and special business trips. Not sure anyone would use that shit for commuting, too slow.


Even if it were faster, railways are extremely limited in capacity and infrastructure. The light rail system in Denver is used by many commuters but you're in for sometimes a decent sized walk between anywhere and the nearest train pickup. It simply cannot go anywhere without trampling over existing homes and businesses to build new rail segments. Worse, it can't service everywhere in Denver.

And then there's the congestion in servicing. Most of the railways in Colorado outside light rail in Denver have a minimum one month in advance need for scheduling. Why? Because the lines are chronically scheduled for freight traffic, particularly fuel for power plants and agricultural transport (livestock, grain, etc.)

Plus culturally, the idea of taking the train anywhere died as a direct result of the Interstate Highway Act of 1956. Why take trains when you can drive anywhere on an extensive and all-encompassing network of roads and freeways? Hell, the highway system here has more access than railways and railways have been in existence in this country since the 1850s. West of the Mississippi River, not everywhere has railroad access. In Colorado if you weren't a crossroads of agriculture or an old mining town or along the way between either, you don't have railroad access. The nearest railroad to me is about 6 kilometers east of me in the middle of nowhere, the nearest stop is Pueblo. None of the half dozen or so mountain towns and communities to my west in the Wet Mountains and Sangre De Cristos has railway access.

It just won't work.

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 Post subject: Re: Pollution
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Well, Germany has Das Autobahn UND good trains.


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 Post subject: Re: Pollution
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:26 am 
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I'd wager much of America's transport pollution comes from high traffic urban areas where public transport is well suited.

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For the millionth time, I believe the climate is changing and I believe Man plays a part with CO2.

What is under debate is how bad it will be and what we *DO* about it.


Nope. There is no debate.

It is very bad already and getting worse.

And what we *DO* about it is substantially reduce the amount of Carbon Dioxide human activities create.

There isn't any room for debate.

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I simply don't think the problem is so dire and immediate that we need to "Fundamentally transform our societies" as the Marxist dopes at the UN were arguing last week.


But you aren't thinking about the problem; you are relying on faith and belief.

If you used your rational faculties, you would not be able to ignore the overwhelming scientific consensus, the Geopolitical ("Marxist dopes at the UN") consensus, or the vested interest that U.S. corporations and politicians have in telling you, "It ain't all that bad."

Now... You just get back to telling us all how wonderful it is that the U.S. is now the World's leading producer of fossil fuels.

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 Post subject: Re: Pollution
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I'd wager much of America's transport pollution comes from high traffic urban areas where public transport is well suited.


You don’t understand Murrica.

You can’t live close to the city center because the city center is shit. So you live 30 miles out in a low density suburban area where decent transit is impractical. This is true of almost every Murrica city.


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PBFMullethunter wrote:
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I'd wager much of America's transport pollution comes from high traffic urban areas where public transport is well suited.


You don’t understand Murrica.

You can’t live close to the city center because the city center is shit. So you live 30 miles out in a low density suburban area where decent transit is impractical. This is true of almost every Murrica city.


Needs Musk tunnels then

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 Post subject: Re: Pollution
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If you used your rational faculties, you would not be able to ignore the overwhelming scientific consensus, the Geopolitical ("Marxist dopes at the UN") consensus, or the vested interest that U.S. corporations and politicians have in telling you, "It ain't all that bad."

<:-P


"Overwhelming scientific consensus" like that US National Climate Assessment you been banging on all week using the most extreme outlier of 16 degree warming to cause 10% damage in US GDP?


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 Post subject: Re: Pollution
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I'm going to make sure Foota gets his natural gas without using trucks or trains all whilst getting a tax exemption for wildlife
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I need all your sweet and beautiful natural gas to run my power plants in California so I can charge up my little electric car I might get in a few weeks.


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Slacks wrote:
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I'd wager much of America's transport pollution comes from high traffic urban areas where public transport is well suited.


You don’t understand Murrica.

You can’t live close to the city center because the city center is shit. So you live 30 miles out in a low density suburban area where decent transit is impractical. This is true of almost every Murrica city.


Needs Musk tunnels then


No - need my Uber air drones! America is way too large.

It's coming.

I keep telling you old-world primitives that you need to think much bigger.


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Well, Germany has Das Autobahn UND good trains.


Germany is also tiny. Quite a few US states and Canadian provinces absolutely dwarf the place in geographic size.

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 Post subject: Re: Pollution
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Murrica would be surrounded by brown people. NOT GOOD

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Murrica would be surrounded by brown people. NOT GOOD


Did you see where the UK and Canada landed?


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Murrica would be surrounded by brown people. NOT GOOD


Did you see where the UK and Canada landed?


We’d do a better job with the place than the current inhabitants.


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Murrica would be surrounded by brown people. NOT GOOD


Did you see where the UK and Canada landed?


I like SE Asian cuisine, so I can live with Iran being one of the neighbours.

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Murrica would be surrounded by brown people. NOT GOOD


Did you see where the UK and Canada landed?


I like SE Asian cuisine, so I can live with Iran being one of the neighbours.


wut


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Murrica would be surrounded by brown people. NOT GOOD


Did you see where the UK and Canada landed?


I like SE Asian cuisine, so I can live with Iran being one of the neighbours.


But UK ended up in Central Africa, specifically the Sahel region. Half the place is desert, the other not much better.

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We just need to stop making so many people

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