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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:46 pm 
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I have never criticised any country other than Israel for occupying Palestinian territory and generally abusing and oppressing Palestinians.

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Saudi Ambassador reaches out to Hillary for advice, the term 911-a-phobics is invented.

Within minutes Antifa is mobilized out side Justin's office.

Canada quickly deiced to prove they are not 911-a-phobic by ordering planes to crash into their own buildings, killing thousands.

However, leftist are quick to point out the deaths are not equally distributed, resulting in a computer lottery system deciding who will die next.

Jordan Peterson comes up in the unbaised system 265 times out of the 1500 that need to sacrificed as tribute to cult of segregated diversity.

Justin is quoted saying "if we stop our enemies, they win." Followed by inviting more Saudi's to come to Canada

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Trump’s... response to the Saudi assault on Canada is to take no side in the dispute. Between a barbaric absolute monarchy that jails and tortures dissidents, obliterates women’s opportunity, and crucifies criminals in the streets … and Canada, for Pete’s sake, Trump cannot pick a side. In 2012, the State Department gave Samar Badawi the International Women of Courage Award, but now the State Department will not criticize her arrest. (The U.K. has been miserable in this regard as well.)

Trump, of course, is not the only U.S. president to suck up to the theocratic tyrants in Riyadh. Every previous president has done so, for obvious realpolitik reasons (oil, and the defense of Israel). But the Saudi connection is tighter now. Despite no official relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel, MBS and Netanyahu are now joined at the hip with Trump because they all want a war against Iran (and are having considerable success laying the groundwork). The Saudis are also useful to the Israelis as a way to delegitimize any genuine form of Palestinian self-determination — because the Saudis have been prepared to throw their Arab neighbors under the bus in order to fight a regime in Tehran that MBS has said “makes Hitler look good.” Trump’s hatred of Iran and Kushner’s hopes for Israel’s expansion keep this unholy trinity together. The idea that either Trump or his mute dauphin give a hoot about human rights is preposterous. The more brutal a regime’s human rights abuses are, the more likely it is that Trump admires it.

Canada will survive, of course, despite the intense international bullying from the Saudis, and America’s and Britain’s abandonment of their ally. Canada will even survive Trump (though whether America does is another matter). But to watch the West disintegrate as a moral force, even on a purely rhetorical level, is beyond depressing. And yet it appears to be our future. It’s also a much darker one for every dissident in every political prison across the planet.

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Trump’s... response to the Saudi assault on Canada is to take no side in the dispute.


But you got Cuba on your side - right? Time for the Castro mafia clan to help a brother out.

Maybe when Trump is done with Erdogan in Turkey getting our Christian Pastor back we can try to help you guys out?


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Trump’s... response to the Saudi assault on Canada is to take no side in the dispute.


But you got Cuba on your side - right? Time for the Castro mafia clan to help a brother out.

Maybe when Trump is done with Erdogan in Turkey getting our Christian Pastor back we can try to help you guys out?


Nah, we don’t need it.


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If people obsessively hate on Israel and totally ignore the larger evils and human rights abuses of ALL of Israel's neighbors as the UN and much of Liberal Academia/Media and elite do - than yes - there is no difference from ordinary dumb as shit Jew hatred. You can't dress it up.


You can criticise Israel and not be anti-Semitic. There are plenty of Jews who do so.


Like I said, if you ONLY criticize Israel and ignore everyone else - it is anti-Semitic.



We criticise loads of other things apart from Israel. But israel is the dirtiest of them all.

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You can criticise Israel and not be anti-Semitic. There are plenty of Jews who do so.


Like I said, if you ONLY criticize Israel and ignore everyone else - it is anti-Semitic.



We criticise loads of other things apart from Israel. But israel is the dirtiest of them all.


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Slacks wrote:
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Like I said, if you ONLY criticize Israel and ignore everyone else - it is anti-Semitic.



We criticise loads of other things apart from Israel. But israel is the dirtiest of them all.


Bollocks



Extrapolate .....

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barcelona wrote:
Extrapolate .....


In terms of human suffering Israel doesnt come close to some of the other shit that goes on in the world.

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Slacks wrote:
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Extrapolate .....


In terms of human suffering Israel doesnt come close to some of the other shit that goes on in the world.



Has Foota hijacked your account??


In terms of human suffering the holocaust doesn't come close to the other shit that has gone on in the world...

Ok.?

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In terms of human suffering the holocaust doesn't come close to the other shit that has gone on in the world...


It's roughly number 3 in rank behind Stalin's purges and Mao Zedong's Great Leap Backwards in terms of lives lost and total human suffering.

Number 4 (Greek/Armenian/Assyrian genocide) doesn't hold a candle to the Holocaust in raw terms of human suffering.

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In terms of human suffering the holocaust doesn't come close to the other shit that has gone on in the world...


It's roughly number 3 in rank behind Stalin's purges and Mao Zedong's Great Leap Backwards in terms of lives lost and total human suffering.

Number 4 (Greek/Armenian/Assyrian genocide) doesn't hold a candle to the Holocaust in raw terms of human suffering.





Remind me again who implemented communism... ?

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In terms of human suffering the holocaust doesn't come close to the other shit that has gone on in the world...


It's roughly number 3 in rank behind Stalin's purges and Mao Zedong's Great Leap Backwards in terms of lives lost and total human suffering.

Number 4 (Greek/Armenian/Assyrian genocide) doesn't hold a candle to the Holocaust in raw terms of human suffering.





Remind me again who implemented communism... ?


Does it start with a J?


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I posted the video for this 4 days ago. Don’t you read my posts?


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In terms of human suffering the holocaust doesn't come close to the other shit that has gone on in the world...


It's roughly number 3 in rank behind Stalin's purges and Mao Zedong's Great Leap Backwards in terms of lives lost and total human suffering.

Number 4 (Greek/Armenian/Assyrian genocide) doesn't hold a candle to the Holocaust in raw terms of human suffering.


What about the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union: Operation Barbarossa?

20 million Russian dead.

European genocide of native Americans is estimated at around 35 million. With the Spanish killing a further 35 million Aztecs between 1520 & 1530.

Then there was the artificial starvation of the Ukrainian people by the USSR, between 1932 and 1933: that killed 7.5 million.

The Japanese Imperial Army killed 22 million Chinese between 1937 and 1945.

And if you’re really going to put the Holocaust in a Historical context, you’d also have to include the estimated 35 million Eurasians killed by the Mongols in the 13th and 14th Century.

But…

Not really sure there is any mileage in ranking those episodes in History where one group of humans behaved horribly towards another.

I mean, once you get beyond the sort of body count associated with a typical school-shooting in the United States,, it’s all pretty awful, regardless of how many millions go on to be killed.

A more pertinent question to consider would be:

Which *CURRENT* conflict in the World is causing the greatest misery?

And given the millions affected, not least those imprisoned within the Gaza Strip, it’s hard to think of any other on-going conflict that trumps the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict in terms of lives affected.

I mean, I know Libyra, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and anywhere else the U.S. has blundered around recently are awful places… But no rag-tag, proto-Caliphate can inflict suffering on the same kind of scale as a National State Apparatus.

In fact, now I come to think of it…

Maybe the Yemenis are just ahead of the Palestinians at the moment.

But not by much. And given the Palestinians have been enduring the shit they have to put up with for nearly three-quarters of a century…

They probably still deserve their rank as Currently Most Shit Upon People on Earth.

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No mention of the North Koreans?

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I had North Korea blinking away as I wrote my previous post…

But I thought: what are we actually trying to rank here?

The Nazi Holocaust, their invasion of the Soviet Union, the Japanese invasion and occupation of China, the European genocides of indigenous Americans…

…Are all examples of human beings setting out to kill other human beings.

The problem with looking at the murderous consequences of appallingly misguided governments’ policies, is it is difficult to know where to draw the line.

For example – and to pick a country entirely at random – successive governments of the United States of America have shaped their Public Health policies around the belief that Single-Payer Healthcare is bad for the Republic.

Consequently, every year, 350,000 Americans die unnecessarily, from easily preventable deaths, because of a lack of timely access to healthcare.

That’s 3.5 million Americans dead every decade, who didn’t need to die, because of the U.S. Government ideological fixation with privatised health care.

To pick just one random example…

And that’s just looking at the on-going stuff… The Historical Record of Western Governments over the last century or so, doesn’t really indicate that preserving the health and welfare of the Masses has ever been a top priority for any Government (except possibly the Bhutanese…).

Cholera and typhoid epidemics, because the theory that “Living In Your Own Shit Is Not Good” was dismissed for a *LONG* time as a hoax on the part of those people looking to make a killing building sewers and flushing toilets….

And of course, we know that many governments were “conflicted” with regards the health dangers of cigarette smoking, and whether or not the Public really needed to be alarmed at some of the research around smoking diseases…

Aaaaand of course, there’s the somewhat recent phenomena, whereby a government decides that despite not actually being threatened or attacked by another nation, it is still good policy to attack and invade those nations *BEFORE* they actually start threatening and attacking.

And such ideologically-driven government policies have led to the deaths of *MILLIONS* of human beings since the end of World War Two, all in the name of “Humanitarian Assistance” and “Responsibility to Protect”.

So…

I tried to keep things contained to just those instances where someone (or a small group of people) have deliberately set out with the intention of killing as many people as possible.

Given the choice though… I think I’d rather be a Palestinian in the Gaza Strip than a North Korean in a “Re-Education Camp”.

You know… If forced to choose.

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Holyman wrote:

A more pertinent question to consider would be:

Which *CURRENT* conflict in the World is causing the greatest misery?

And given the millions affected, not least those imprisoned within the Gaza Strip, it’s hard to think of any other on-going conflict that trumps the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict in terms of lives affected.
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FFS - I know the British Left is having to deflect away from it's appalling anti-Semitism, but allegations like yours are not helping.

You don't even have to look far to realize how false your comment above is. Assad, Iran and Russia have killed more Muslims and caused a bigger refugee crisis in the last 3 years than Israel has managed in 50+ years. Millions of Muslims are fleeing shitty countries in the Middle East, Asia and Africa trying to get to Europe - how many are fleeing from Gaza these days? Gaza is a beach paradise with massive malls and tourist sites compared to the rubbled cities in Syria.

Don't forget China.

China denies claims a million Muslim Uighurs held in internment camps
The country is responding to concerns raised by a UN committee about a crackdown and strict controls in Xinjiang region.

https://news.sky.com/story/china-denies ... s-11471917

Slacks already pointed out North Korea.

Venezuela is a total Socialist shit-hole now with the highest crime rate in the world and people starving. How many people are starving in Gaza?


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Yeah, but I'm talking about the on-going oppression of people that is actually happening.

Whereas (with the exception of NK) you're just citing examples of places where the United States of America would like everyone else to believe that oppression of people is actually happening.

And of course, in places like Syria, Iran and Russia, the people of those countries are having to deal with the on-going threats and predations of an entirely foreign government.

And until that stops, it's difficult to distinguish internal repression from external sabotage and propaganda.

Isn't it.

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Yeah, but I'm talking about the on-going oppression of people that is actually happening.


China putting a million Muslims in detention centers?


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And of course, in places like Syria, Iran and Russia, the people of those countries are having to deal with the on-going threats and predations of an entirely foreign government.

And until that stops, it's difficult to distinguish internal repression from external sabotage and propaganda.


Israel doesn't suffer from external sabotage and propaganda?

Who provides the Palestinians with all of their weapons? Who provides the Palestinians with non-stop propaganda support at the UN by vilifying the Israelis (as you do) as being the worst human rights abusers in the world?


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Have we decided what the question is yet? Could be a long thread otherwise.

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I think we're trying to understand why some cunts aren't as cunty as other cunts, despite behaving in an almost identically cunty way.

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Yeah, but I'm talking about the on-going oppression of people that is actually happening.


China putting a million Muslims in detention centers?


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And of course, in places like Syria, Iran and Russia, the people of those countries are having to deal with the on-going threats and predations of an entirely foreign government.

And until that stops, it's difficult to distinguish internal repression from external sabotage and propaganda.


Israel doesn't suffer from external sabotage and propaganda?

Who provides the Palestinians with all of their weapons? Who provides the Palestinians with non-stop propaganda support at the UN by vilifying the Israelis (as you do) as being the worst human rights abusers in the world?




Oy vay off.. No one does propaganda like the Israelis.


Still peddling their guilt fucking trips on the rest of us... Holocau$t..... Get fucking over it already...

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Have we decided what the question is yet? Could be a long thread otherwise.


OK, I’ve been giving this some thought.

I’m a “Right On” Pacifist, aren’t I? Yes… I think I am…

Therefore: *ANY* powerful, bullying individual or group of individuals who adopt and implement any policies that purposely cause pain and suffering to any other group of individuals is something I must automatically object to.

Doesn’t matter if the individuals or governments dishing out the pain and suffering are Israeli, Saudi, Iranian, Chinese, American, Russian, Congolese, Indonesian, Chinese, North Korean… Whatever.

It would be hypocritical of me to criticise the Israeli Government for its treatment of Palestinians, whilst simultaneously excusing other governments for treating other populations so horrifically.

So I don’t.

Of course, the absence of expressed criticism in no way equals an attempt to excuse.

It’s quite simple: they’re all bastards.

Individual human beings who rise to positions of social, political and economic power, rarely escape the clutches of bastardy.

All of them.

Every president, prime minister, king, queen, dictator, Blue-Chip CEO, religious potentate and any other human being in a position of power and influence who feels that their primary objective is to increase their own power and influence at anyone and everyone else’s expense.

And when they decide that other human beings must die, in order to Make The World A Better Place, they take their place in the hardly-exclusive club of humans throughout History who lack the imagination to come up with anything other than violence to promote their beliefs.

All bastards. All of them.

Every single example you have listed Foota. Unequivocally: bastards.

We were of course engaged in a discussion to rank who the biggest bastards are (or were), and which selected group of human beings in History has suffered the most.

But I say: they’re all bastards; and trying to rank who has suffered the most, out of all the suffering ever inflicted on human beings by other, bastard human beings, is pointless.

All of them bastards.

That’s my position, isn’t it Foota?

But not your position…

Your position is that some of those bastards are okay.

You believe that in certain circumstances, it is entirely necessary to behave like a bastard towards other human beings.

In fact, you routinely (inevitably and predictably) support the Governments of Israel and the United States of America (and of late, Saudi Arabia…). Currently the biggest bastards on the Planet, actively engaged in destroying sovereign nations, oppressing and causing the deaths of local populations, and generally keeping the whole World on a hair-trigger away from all out (and final) War.

And you support them Foota.

You support several groups of human beings who think that it is right and proper to deliberately kill other human beings.

I don’t.

I might think that what the Chinese Government is doing to Chinese Uighurs is “not as bad” as what the Israeli Government is doing to the Palestinians….

But like I said: that’s an irrelevance. The Chinese Government bullies and oppresses people; the Israeli Government bullies and oppresses people.

What’s the point in even considering which is the greater bully?

Acknowledging “We’re bad; but *THEY* are worse!” doesn’t cut it anymore. Not in the 21st Century. Personal Responsibility is the “New Thing”.

Kicking the shit out of people whilst pointing at someone else who might arguably be kicking more shit out of more people in worse way, only works on Nationalists.

If you’re not a Nationalist (and obviously I’m not), you just see one group of human beings kicking the shit out of another group, just as unnecessarily and counter-productively as all the other groups of human being who think that the way to get ahead is to drag everyone else back.

So…

I think the actual question here is:

”Since the United States has tried to justify its illegal and devastating invasions of other nations on the basis of allegations about the way the target nations’ governments are oppressing their people; can the U.S. seriously maintain any credibility when it refuses to criticise Israel, or support Canada in its criticisms of Saudi Arabia?”

(Feel free to substitute “Foota” for “the United States/U.S.”.)

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