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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:46 pm 
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I would entirely separate the commercial/economic aspects of EU Membership from the political/social aspects.

Business is business. There's no real need to complicate it with social/political/geo-political concerns.

Friends want to trade? Let them trade: in as friction-less a manner as possible. Got nothing to do with politics.

Nations should be able to choose what level of EU Membership they want, and pay their fees accordingly.

But then...

I feel the same way about the Movement of People.

So I'm probably not the best person to ask.

The Problem these fuckwits are trying to deal with is the same problem that everyone hits:

Trying to find a single solution to multiple, highly complex issues.

Why not just come up with multiple solutions to multiple issues?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:56 pm 
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This is a story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody and Nobody.

There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.

Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.

Somebody got angry about that, because it was Everybody’s job.

Everybody thought Anybody could do it. But Nobody realised that Everybody wouldn’t do it.

So it ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.

[X++X] (*E*)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:34 pm 
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It's YOU. Haven't seen you for a while? Or have I not been paying attention?



No. I've hardly been on. It's nice to be noticed.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:41 am 
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[quote='Guy on Twitter']
I can now foresee May's Deal going through (or a slightly tweaked variant of it).

It'll be done and dusted by summer.

What will we all think then?

Well, everyone but May will be cheesed off; some very.

The only positives will be avoidance of No Deal and moving to transition.

Leavers will be pissed off with a half-arsed deal (recall "it's worse than Remain").

'Remain' will have gone, so Remainers all pissed off too.

But with Leavers feeling the will of the people hasn't been delivered, why did parliament pass the Deal on the basis that it does so deliver (and indeed feeling compelled to pass the Deal "in order to deliver the will of the people")?

It'll be a nonsense situation.

We'll all stand around looking at each blankly, wondering how we managed to arrive here despite having watched it all unfold over 3 years.

Yet there'll be no easy path back to the situation that - as per varioys Leave figures - was "better than this deal"; something all the cheesed off Remainers will obviously agree with.

The negotiations on the final settlement will have by then started and Britain, from its new position of even greater weakness, will give way on various crucial points.

It'll add insult to the UK's many wounds, until we end up almost back where we started - but voiceless.

From inside this labyrinth at the end of a cul-de-sac, a cry will go up - "What a complete fucking waste of time! How did we get here!?"

Answer: Because we drifted here without sufficient will to turn back, despite being obviously led by a bunch of clowns. l

This answer won't suffice. Being human, we will need someone else to blame.

That's when it starts...
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1089 ... 10592.html

I don't see May's deal going through, but a situation of partial Brexit with nobody happy doesn't appeal.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:07 pm 
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Another big day in Brexit tomorrow. Things that may occur:

- The House of Commons bans government from leaving the EU without a deal

- Extension to Article 50 so we don't leave the EU at the end of March. It looks like this will be necessary regardless of how we leave because we wouldn't be able to get the legislation through in time otherwise.

- House of Commons gets a vote to say 'Well what sort of Brexit would you fuckers vote for then? Pick one of these options'

^^ These will get gammons donning yellow vests if passed

- House of Commons amends agreement agreed with EU to remove or time limit Irish backstop. For some months the EU have said they won't do this.

- Labour have said they won't support a second referendum, for now at least, so that's off the cards for a while.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:17 pm 
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- Labour have said they won't support a second referendum, for now at least, so that's off the cards for a while.


Sounds like they have done some internal polling or have enough evidence to suggest a Second Referendum would only end in tears for Labour. Either in the form of Leave winning again or Remain winning by such a razor thin margin the mandate to cancel Brexit doesn't exist politically speaking and will only lead to calls and institution of a Third Referendum.

In short, they don't have the cards.

Either that, or they don't have the balls to call for a Second Referendum. (This particular scenario reflects poorly of Holyman's boyfriend Jeremy Corbyn.)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:39 pm 
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As I understand it there's not enough public support for a second referendum, and Labour would rather focus on forcing an election.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:57 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:20 pm 
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PBFMullethunter wrote:
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Wut?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:02 pm 
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Wut?


Just remembered him. Thought that might bring him back.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:12 pm 
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You have to say it three times.

Whilst looking in a mirror.

()x()

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:27 am 
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UK to ban social media

Censorship cures all that ails you.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:59 pm 
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UK to ban social media

Censorship cures all that ails you.


But memes are not the enemy! Usually...

Hoo boy the next decade is going to be a fun clash of ideals. I'll be pushing greater free speech in the US as President and the tyrannical states in Europe are pushing censorship because stupid reasons.

Caught in the middle will be the idiots in Farcebook, Twatter and Google trying to decide if they want the US market or the censored European one and they won't be able to have both. Which will be what they deserve for thinking they can be the arbiters of censorship and political discussion in the world while still claiming to be defending free speech.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:48 pm 
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Parliament voted today to kick the can down the road and run down the clock a little longer. In short May got permission to try and renegotiate the deal. The EU has been saying for months that it will not be reopened for negotiation. Seems unlikely that they will but stranger things have happened. But even if they don't May will be able to frame the EU as the baddies for not reopening the deal.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:20 pm 
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Update: EU and UK not wavering on red lines. Not enough appetite at the moment for a second referendum. Heading toward a no-deal at the end of March unless deadline extended. British government contingency planning for martial law and drafting in the military in case of disturbances and civil disobedience. Seems unlikely to come to that, but hey.

On the plus side we signed a trade agreement with.....Chile. The agreement replicates what we already have being in the EU. So...progress?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:11 pm 
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I’ve been asked many times why I voted “Leave” in 2016.

I do occasionally mention the way the German Banking Sector pressured the European Commission to ignore the IMF’s advice about Greek debt, and have the EU treat a Member State – and the human beings who live in that Member State – like dirt.

But that’s only if I don’t want the conversation to go on too long.

But if it’s someone who needs a good Button-Holing, I tell them the Truth:

I voted to Leave the EU because our National Government, and the Quasi-Federal Government of the EU, are both over-centralised, over-bureaucratised, anachronistic, and for the most part, staffed by politicians who are corrupted by their own personal ambitions.

And I figured that if the UK did produce a majority for “Leave” in the 2016 Referendum, what would follow would be a complete and total exposure of the appalling ways in which Governments and Politicians mismanage the lives of the human beings those governmental positions exist to serve.

Which is why if there is a Second Referendum, I’d have to vote “Remain”, in order to cement my intention.

Because after all this Brexit Bollocks of the last two years, absolutely no honest human being can deny what a fuck-up the UK Government is making of managing Brexit. And more importantly, any intelligent human being can see that the fuck-up has not been caused by ideological differences, but by career-minded politicians promoting their own self-interest over the interests of the Nation as a whole.

Which is what I’ve always felt; but prior to “Brexit”… You’d be surprised how much of an uphill struggle it was to convince people that Humanity’s current set of politicians are self-obsessed, corrupted by the System they work within, and have no ability at all to work with others for the benefit of the Whole.

Now: most Everyone agrees with me.

Which is nice.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:01 pm 
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Holyman wrote:
I’ve been asked many times why I voted “Leave” in 2016.


Because you're a massive racist.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:25 pm 
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Weeeell...

I'll admit I'm not the Human Race's biggest fan...

But I'm not yet into hating them.

:!!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:57 am 
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As well as stockpiling, martial law and calling in the military if things go bad after a possible no-deal, we now also have a plan to evacuate the queen from London.

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As well as stockpiling, Marshall law and calling in the military if things go bad after a possible no-deal, we now also have a plan to evacuate the queen from London.

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FFS project fear in full flow.


But...but...but how to make the perfect pud! :))

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As well as stockpiling, Marshall law


Was that part of the Marshall Plan? :-?


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PBFMullethunter wrote:
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As well as stockpiling, Marshall law


Was that part of the Marshall Plan? :-?


III/O

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I'm embarrassed to be part of this country. Ffs.

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Good news! We are so ill-prepared for leaving without a deal that we will simply be waving trucks from the EU through the border for at least after a year. Will the EU do the same with our trucks?

:-?

Taking back control lads!

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