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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:45 pm 
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Given May's decisions to date my gut says she won't resign, survive a no-confidence vote (I still think Parliament on the whole would not want Corbyn in), wait and see how the EU respond and hope for a concession, and if they do put forward an amended version of the Withdrawal Agreement.

And if they don't then who knows.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:45 pm 
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She definitely won’t want to resign, when she loses tonight’s vote.

But actually, putting Brexit aside for a moment: what is taking place is a reconfiguration of the Balance of Power between the British Government and Parliament.

Just as the newly-elected DNC majority in the U.S. House of Representatives is redressing the balance of U.S. politics after nearly 20 years of the Unitary Executive; so too is the whole Brexit Shambles returning power to the British Legislature (House of Commons) from the British Executive (the Prime Minister’s Cabinet).

And after all… That *IS* how it is supposed to work… Apparently.

Now the other way “it” is supposed to work – and always did work this way – is that when a Government Minister’s personality gets in the way of their ability to do their job: they resign.

All the way up to and including the Prime Minister.

David Cameron “did the decent thing” after losing the Brexit Referendum; Margaret Thatcher after the Poll Tax; Anthony Eden after Suez…

And numerous other Ministers who got caught with their pants down, their fingers in the till, or failing to effectively grab power in a putsch.

That’s just “The Way Things Are Done” (apparently).

But Theresa may decide not to do things, The Way They Are Done.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:50 pm 
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Robert Peston's take:

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Theresa May will lose the vote tonight on her Brexit plan, widely seen as the most important vote in parliament since the early years of the Second World War, and yet nothing of importance may change - or at least not immediately, at least.

How can that possibly be - especially since she could well lose by a record-busting and humiliating margin of more than 100 votes?

It is because she is very unlikely to acknowledge that her deal is dead, and will instead announce shortly after the defeat that she will have another go at negotiating with EU leaders to amend it so as to make it acceptable to MPs.

To be clear this is surmise, though based on conversations with officials and ministers.

The point is that on this most momentous of decisions for the UK, the prime minister has not even yet shared her plans for a Plan B with ANY colleagues. And is not expected to do so, even at today's cabinet meeting, for fear that her not-so-discreet ministers will leak every last nuance of what she would do next.

In fact she has already signalled she is depriving ministers of a voice on how she will respond to the defeat - because she has said she will make a statement to the Commons immediately after the vote, and there will be no time for the cabinet to meet between the vote and whatever she says.

She is thus exercising quite extraordinary personal power - which is possible because under Tory party rules she can't be booted out for at least a year, following her own MPs abortive coup just before Christmas, and because her Cabinet is united that her deal is preferable to either a no-deal Brexit or to a referendum that could keep the UK in the EU.

Also only the conceit that her deal might one day actually be approved by parliament keeps her party from splitting: if the government ever sponsored a referendum or went for a Norway-style commercially intimate future relationship with the EU, Brexiter Tory MPs would probably break away from the party, just as Peelite Tories did over free trade in the nineteenth century; and if she adopted a managed no-deal Brexit in preference to her deal, Remainer Tories would resign the whip, and several cabinet ministers would resign.

So the survival of her Brexit deal is crucial to maintaining the integrity of her party and her ability to stay in office - even while it alienates Northern Ireland's DUP MPs, whose support is essential for her ability to pass legislation.

One clue as to what she does next will be given by the decision she will have to make later today on whether to instruct her MPs, including ministers (the so-called payroll) on whether to support an amendment to her deal, which would in effect instruct her to return to Brussels to negotiate for the widely hated backstop - seen by the DUP as driving a wedge between Northern Ireland and Great Britain - to expire no later than 31 December 2021.

If that amendment only lost by a smallish number of votes, she could cite it in renewed negotiations with the EU as reason for EU leaders to surrender on the backstop - although there is a risk that as and when the amendment fails, the rest of the EU could take the opposite view, which is that it would be pointless for them to make such a humiliation capitulation if it could not guarantee a majority in the Commons for the reworked deal.

Truthfully we are only at the beginning of the end of this saga that will shape the UK's economy and standing in the world for generations.

Ultimately Tory MPs and Labour MPs - and probably independently of their leaders - will have to make a decision about whether there is a version of Brexit that unites enough of them, or whether they will have to put it back to us in a referendum.

If the existing party structures, Labour and Tory, survive intact, that will be little short of a miracle. But the break up of our big parties may turn out to be the least of what matters.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:16 pm 
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Weird watching the protestors outside Parliament on opposite sides hoping for the same result for.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:43 pm 
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Lost: 432 against, 202 for.

Biggest Govt. defeat in UK History.

She toast.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:44 pm 
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May's deal lost 202-432. That's a crushing defeat.

She's also just challenged Corbyn to table a no-confidence motion tonight for a vote tomorrow. Will he do it?

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Slacks wrote:

She's also just challenged Corbyn to table a no-confidence motion tonight for a vote tomorrow. Will he do it?

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Yes, he has

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:04 pm 
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EU has just ruled out re-opening negotiations.

Which means the Govt. cannot present an amended deal for a second vote in Parliament.

Mrs. May is currently "consulting with Senior Parliamentarians".

Buh-bye Mrs. M.

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Now that Game of a Thrones is ending. >*^*<



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But their cheers also represent the grave risk of two groups, with opposite objectives who both think they've won.

In opposing the PM's deal, both Remainers and Leavers have rejected a settlement which would at least have given them something - be it a softer Brexit, or a guaranteed Brexit of some sort. They've both gambled in rejecting it. They've bet the house. Only one side can be right. And one faction might, in the end, have cause to regret the turn of the events of this historic night.

We have just over 70 days until Brexit day. There is no majority for anything. No plan B from the government. An opposition strong enough to wound but not to kill. A morass of different backbench groups all with their own competing versions of what should and what will happen next.

The truth is that none of the great institutions of British politics has the faintest idea.


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Time for the Queen to claim absolute power and abolish the parliament. The experiment has failed!


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Time for the Queen to claim absolute power and abolish the parliament. The experiment has failed!


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7.20am. No update except that my dog shat in the corner out of disgust

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:42 am 
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One of my dogs did a shit on the lawn of Chequers, the day after the Brexit Referendum.

The first guiding principle is that We Are All One.

The second guiding principle is that Everything in the One Inter-relates.

Hence: the Brexit-OP-Dogshit Nexus.

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Still relevent, even if Teflon Theresa survives another day...

Don't you dare start feeling sorry for Theresa May.

This is the woman who misplaced a dossier on paedophile MPs, sent Nazi style 'fuck off home' immigration vans out on to our roads, made the invited windrush generation that helped us rebuild a post-war country feel like second class citizens, sacked 20,000 police officers and pushed successfully for a snoopers charter.

Yes, the blades are out from her colleagues, in what's turning out to be a shit week of the long knives, but that is to be expected, after all, it was the plan all along.

No one wanted to negotiate the un-negiotable, to go down in history as the person who fucked the UK. Cameron didn't, and that's why he scarpered quicker than a pig at an Eton bash.

May is the Patsy, the fall-guy. The Tories just found the most stubborn ' bloody difficult woman' they could. Someone motivated purely by self interest, and power-hungry enough to cling-on like a failed trapeze artist with one last shot at the big time.

She's served her purpose and fulfilled her destiny, soon to be discarded like a used condom.

Forget Brexit for a minute though, let's concentrate on her premiership which is just a continuation of Cameron's.

We know about homelessness doubling, the rise of foodbanks, the use of zero hours contracts to manipulate true employment figures, and we know about the astounding levels of poverty in the 5th largest economy in the world.

And now it's been confirmed.

The UN has just reported that there's 14 million people living in poverty in the UK. They labelled the government's benefit changes callous, unnecessary, and easy to reverse.

So don't weep for that stone-hearted animated cadaver, dancing for your affections like a fat stripper on her first night, because she's a cunt.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:10 pm 
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Predictions say the government shod win the no-confidence vote reasonably comfortably.

Another day, another 'historic' and 'unprecedented' state of affairs. Been a lot of those lately.

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Government wins confidence vote 325-306

It'll go relatively quiet for a few days now (:|

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What ever happens it's a seriously shit situation. I'm embarrassed for engurlund.

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What's up with that cunt in the lower left grinning like a nonce?

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What's up with that cunt in the lower left grinning like a nonce?


He's not even the most annoying one

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Someone's trolling Brexiters with these billboards from key government Brexiters. Most of the quotes are from before the referendum, obvs, except the Dover one - which was made by the Brexit secretary at the time and really should have known better.

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