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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:12 am 
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Unless the Tories pull something *SPECTACULAR* out of the Christmas bag...

There has to be a Second Referendum.


It's probably the least-worse option. A no-deal simply won't be allowed. May's deal won't get through. Can't remain without the people's approval. Other options around EEA etc aren't being considered. There's only 3 months left.

A referendum resulting in a remain result would not put the debate to bed, unless it won significantly. What would be a mess though is if it the result was leave. Back to square one.

I still reckon there's a reasonable chance May is just running down the clock to pressure MPs into accepting her deal.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:16 am 
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I think as soon as the European Court ruling confirmed the UK could unilaterally cancel Brexit, Theresa May’s blood was in the water and the sharks started circling.

I suspect her strategy *WAS* to run down the clock until it was her deal or no deal.

But now, for as long as the clock is still ticking, it is no deal, her deal, or a Second Referendum.

And there is no chance that a Second Referendum doesn’t produce a vote to Remain.

No way.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:58 am 
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Holyman wrote:
I think as soon as the European Court ruling confirmed the UK could unilaterally cancel Brexit, Theresa May’s blood was in the water and the sharks started circling.

I suspect her strategy *WAS* to run down the clock until it was her deal or no deal.

But now, for as long as the clock is still ticking, it is no deal, her deal, or a Second Referendum.

And there is no chance that a Second Referendum doesn’t produce a vote to Remain.

No way.

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There would be a lot of angry gammons though. Very angry indeed.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:22 pm 
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Meh.

They're angry anyway. It's their general State of Being.

At least they'll have something tangible that they can be angry about. And when we send them all off to participate more fully with the E.U. institutions the Conservative Party doesn't seem to be able to tear them away from...

...They should cause quite a stir.

Though to be honest, gammons' blood pressures are usually so high, it'll probably look more like "Scanners".

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:51 pm 
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It's a massive clusterfuck and has a real risk of kicking off a Civil war in Ireland. NICE

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:27 pm 
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It's a massive clusterfuck and has a real risk of kicking off a Civil war in Ireland. NICE


What is the feeling over there at the moment? Does peace feel threatened?

The erection of a hard or even a flaccid border would be a very visible symbol of the epic failure to handle this shitfest sensibly.

Probably easier just to give NI to the ROI. Should be a simple fix. Same with Gibraltar.

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The cabinet has given the go-ahead for all of the UK’s no-deal Brexit planning to be implemented “in full” as the likelihood of dropping out out of the EU without any agreement increases.

Officials will now seek to communicate with six million British businesses, calling on them to enact their own contingency plans, and with private citizens on actions they should take. Whitehall officials will also implement proposals already publicised like those designed to ensure vital food and medical supplies do not run out.


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It's pretty crappy Slacks, the free movement across the border was one of the main elements of the Good friday Agreement, so if that stops then the UK Government has broken the peace agreement with the IRA, can you guess what happens next?

They didn't even consider what would happen at all. The most annoying part of it is our fucking bigoted politicians. Sinn Fein won't even sit round the table and talk to anybody & the DUP will let the whole country burn to ashes as long as they can do it wrapped up in a Union Flag.

If anybody had even a drop of intelligence they would see that this is a massive opportunity for us, one foot in each camp, we could become the next tax free country & wind up like the Caymans / BVI's and get fucking RICH. But no...... far to busy worrying about fucking flags & religion.

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It's pretty crappy Slacks, the free movement across the border was one of the main elements of the Good friday Agreement, so if that stops then the UK Government has broken the peace agreement with the IRA, can you guess what happens next?

They didn't even consider what would happen at all. The most annoying part of it is our fucking bigoted politicians. Sinn Fein won't even sit round the table and talk to anybody & the DUP will let the whole country burn to ashes as long as they can do it wrapped up in a Union Flag.

If anybody had even a drop of intelligence they would see that this is a massive opportunity for us, one foot in each camp, we could become the next tax free country & wind up like the Caymans / BVI's and get fucking RICH. But no...... far to busy worrying about fucking flags & religion.

Arseholes! */|


On the plus side you could surf all the way to the mainland if it gets too dicey.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:49 pm 
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I reckon this is some kinda scare tactic to say to Brussels 'we're gonna do it you know!!'.

And quite frankly, I consider it quite normal to get ready for things, surprised its so late (if not a scare tactic), and the military are appropriate members of staff to get trained up, as they will do whatever they are told without banging on about their job description. If that worries a few faggots, then fuck em, just a bunch of kids in green uniforms, not so different from Asda ffs.


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I reckon this is some kinda scare tactic to say to Brussels 'we're gonna do it you know!!'.


I'm not quite sure what they expect Brussels to offer. The point of the backstop is to ensure the Irish border remains open. If it's time limited then that means the Irish border could get hardened in some way if there isn't a deal in time. If you were the EU looking at the clusterfuck going on in Westminster would you really think a deal was likely anytime soon? If ever?

That being said I'm reasonably sure you could get creative with keeping the border frictionless while still having some sort of customs processing.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:20 pm 
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These are (supposed) preparations for no deal.

Thing I like about no deal, is that you can then go on to strike deals. If there is a deal, then you're kinda stuck with it.
I'm a bit fed up of having to beg some cunts for permission to run our country as we please, its the whole point of coming out.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:35 pm 
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Thing I like about no deal, is that you can then go on to strike deals. If there is a deal, then you're kinda stuck with it.

I'm a bit fed up of having to beg some cunts for permission to run our country as we please, its the whole point of coming out.


When it comes to trade we could run the country as we please when we leave. We could take a Canada+++++++ free trade deal and be able to strike deals with whoever we wish. The downside is we would need to run a different market from the EU which means frictioned trade with the EU. Customs checks at the border etc.

On balance many think that frictionless trade with the EU and us having numerous trade agreements through the EU with other countries, easily offsets the benefits of being able to strike our own deals with other countries.

Added: these are the trade deals and potential trade deals we withdraw from when we leave the EU:

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No deal:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/no ... 1.html?amp

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Well, if people wanna crawl around the cool kids hoping it will improve their living standards, I see what they are worshipping.

I'd rather be driven by principle, and deal with the consequences wherever they may fall. If my brethren fail to be able to do this, then fuck em, they deserve it.


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Wunderschlung wrote:
Thing I like about no deal, is that you can then go on to strike deals. If there is a deal, then you're kinda stuck with it.

I'm a bit fed up of having to beg some cunts for permission to run our country as we please, its the whole point of coming out.


When it comes to trade we could run the country as we please when we leave. We could take a Canada+++++++ free trade deal and be able to strike deals with whoever we wish. The downside is we would need to run a different market from the EU which means frictioned trade with the EU. Customs checks at the border etc.

On balance many think that frictionless trade with the EU and us having numerous trade agreements through the EU with other countries, easily offsets the benefits of being able to strike our own deals with other countries.

Added: these are the trade deals and potential trade deals we withdraw from when we leave the EU:

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What do you guys even export, aside from weird tarts and wrinkly musicians?


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It was financial products and services, they make it, we profiteer from it.

Dunno where that is at after the last 10 years'.


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I'd rather be driven by principle, and deal with the consequences wherever they may fall. If my brethren fail to be able to do this, then fuck em, they deserve it.


And which principles are these? Right now everyone is looking at our government and thinking "fucking hell, the principle of self-determination means giving even more powers to these fucks?". At least the EU is consistent and boring as fuck.

But yes, another layer of governance above that of a national government is a layer I don't feel entirely comfortable with having.

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What do you guys even export, aside from weird tarts and wrinkly musicians?


Services and stuff. Finance and insurance. It's all a bit complicated so our press focus on our exports of goods when it comes to Brexit.

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That hippie socialist anti-semite communist Corbyn is getting SJW’ed now!

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46619689

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This week, I am mostly in the Netherlands (Utrectht today, Amsterdam tonorrow).

Interesting listening to the general bafflement on this side of the Channel.

Would write more... But using my phone whilst in the hotel....

Home on Friday... Post more Saturday...

Need to find out what odds Bookies are offering on a Second Referendum and/or Brexit Cancellation.

There's no way the UK leaves the EU now.

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Fuck all...

https://smarkets.com/event/812006/polit ... ve-eu-date

Thought I might be onto something....

But if the bookies are offering fuck all on a cancellation of Brexit, I guess I'm not

The UK will not leave the European Union on March 29th, 2019.

There. I said it.

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Isn’t everyone longing for a complete societal breakdown, where we can just run around machete-ing people without risk of imprisonment?


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