It is currently Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:20 am

All times are UTC+01:00




Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 1891 posts ]  Go to page Previous 171 72 73 74 75 76 Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:25 pm 
Offline
Holyman
Holyman
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:00 pm
Posts: 17788
Location: Earth
Slacks wrote:
It's gonna go through. It would be suicidal for a Conservative MP to vote against it after that thumping election win.


Doesn't that assume that all Conservative MPs were elected on the basis that they would vote for a "Leave" deal..?

But many Tory MPs were elected in "Safe" seats in the south of England, where they reflect their constituents' "Remain" preference.

However... BoJo has promised *ALL* Tory MPs will vote for the deal...

So that's alright then.

:!! :-"

_________________
Image

"We are moving into an era where authority cannot be the Truth.

Only the Truth shall be the Authority in coming times, as the sanctity of all authorities will be questioned."
- Sadhguru


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:28 pm 
Offline
Major General
Major General
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:00 pm
Posts: 34795
Holyman wrote:
Slacks wrote:
It's gonna go through. It would be suicidal for a Conservative MP to vote against it after that thumping election win.


Doesn't that assume that all Conservative MPs were elected on the basis that they would vote for a "Leave" deal..?

But many Tory MPs were elected in "Safe" seats in the south of England, where they reflect their constituents' "Remain" preference.

However... BoJo has promised *ALL* Tory MPs will vote for the deal...

So that's alright then.

:!! :-"


I bet you a fiver the withdrawal bill will pass the commons when next put for a vote, which by the sounds of it will be this Friday.

_________________
Norks


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:40 pm 
Offline
Sergeant-Major
Sergeant-Major
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 13, 2004 12:00 pm
Posts: 7307
Location: Close to where I want to be
Slacks wrote:
Democrats should probably listen to this


So true.

The problem with both the extreme right and the extreme left is that both try to force people into accepting their way of thinking. The main difference the parties on the "right" and the parties on the "left" from what I can see is that the right is doing a better job of not giving a voice to their extreme. Whereas, the extreme left is very very vocal and it would seem they are being pandered to. The moderate left wants nothing to do with them and ends up staying home or switching to the right.

I mean until the left leaning parties realize that what they are selling (climate doom, gender fluidity, safe spaces, social justice, white privilege, male privilege, check your privilege...) is considered worse for your average person than Trump and Borris then that's what you're going to keep getting. I'm surprised the elections are even that close.

I mean I have always gone by the stupid line "I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal". Now I wouldn't want to consider myself in the least bit socially liberal if the current definition of liberal is what the left leaning parties are claiming to be.

_________________
What you have taken, Has been from here
What you gave has been given here
What belongs to you today
belonged to someone yesterday
and will be someone else’s tomorrow

Change is the Law of The Universe

-------------------------------------------------

“A good traveler has no fixed plans, and is not intent on arriving.” – Lao Tzu


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:47 pm 
Offline
Holyman
Holyman
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:00 pm
Posts: 17788
Location: Earth
tgrant wrote:
The problem with both the extreme right and the extreme left is that both try to force people into accepting their way of thinking. The main difference the parties on the "right" and the parties on the "left" from what I can see is that the right is doing a better job of not giving a voice to their extreme. Whereas, the extreme left is very very vocal and it would seem they are being pandered to. The moderate left wants nothing to do with them and ends up staying home or switching to the right.

I mean until the left leaning parties realize that what they are selling (climate doom, gender fluidity, safe spaces, social justice, white privilege, male privilege, check your privilege...) is considered worse for your average person than Trump and Borris then that's what you're going to keep getting. I'm surprised the elections are even that close.

I mean I have always gone by the stupid line "I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal". Now I wouldn't want to consider myself in the least bit socially liberal if the current definition of liberal is what the left leaning parties are claiming to be.


So many problems…

At the root of them all though: Human Beings insisting they are right and others are wrong.

I mean… Correctly… We long ago stopped basing Society’s decisions and policies on Astrological Charts that claimed to predict the Future. Because it was all a load of old bollocks, promulgated by men who owed their Social Status to others’ belief that they could predict the Future.

Isn’t that all we hear from Politicians these days though? Predictions of the Future?

Same Prediction too:

“Vote for us, and your Future will be amazing! Vote for them, and your Future will be shit.”

And this business of “Left” and “Right”… Isn’t it time we outgrew that?

Is the Idea to create a stable, sustainable, Peaceful Human Society?

Or is the Idea to “Divide and Conquer” the Masses, by encouraging them to affiliate with either the “Left” or the “Right”?

Surely Society’s response to problems and challenges should be Practical, not Ideological.

Deciding you already know how you’re going to fix a problem (because of your Ideology), before you have even looked at the problem, is a recipe for, well, not fixing the problem.

The Mid-20th Century demonstrated very clearly the consequences of trying to get Everyone to Think The Same. Whether in Nazi Germany, Stalin’s Soviet Union, or the McCarthyite United States, the results were appalling.

We’re all supposed to see things slightly differently… To think for ourselves and come to our own conclusions. Then we share our thoughts with others and achieve an aggregated consensus.

Or…

We can carry on following our Party Line, which regardless of which Party we support, is the same:

“Yeah, we know we’re not that great, but we’re *SO* much better than the alternative!”

And we can continue to focus on what we disagree on, rather than where we agree.

I mean…

…Is there any other outcome from all this Division and Polarisation, than Civil War?

Where does it end?

>*^*<

_________________
Image

"We are moving into an era where authority cannot be the Truth.

Only the Truth shall be the Authority in coming times, as the sanctity of all authorities will be questioned."
- Sadhguru


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:32 pm 
Offline
Lieutenant-Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:00 pm
Posts: 18977
I was very, very surprised at the (very very) North voting in such force for Conservative in any guise.
Did not expect that at all, ever.

I'm putting it down to Brexit (fucking genius me...)...
I figured the Libs (the remain party!) knew they were not getting in, but at least they could capitalise on the 49% of the popn who wanted remain, therefore increase their seats.

I figure Labour were fucking off the 51% of leavers by fannying around, but thought they would have pulled the popular vote. Well, you guys got funked eh?

I did expect a mega hung Parliament, and wundered who was gonna get into bed with who. HM influenced me in that I could see Corbyn and Sturgeon being big allies and the Tories scrabbling around to see where it goes.

I was actually hoping for Corbyn in a completely selfish way. I figgered it would take five years' or so for anything of his to manifest, and if he wants to bankrupt the country for people like me, then fuck all your kids.

But noooooooooo! Proper fucking landslide.

My small appreciation of things is that, at least there will be shit happening, at least a strong democratic decision has been made, so no more fucking around, lets get Brexit done ffs (I hope for no deal).

Anyone wanna sniff my balls? Badedas shower gel is lully!


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:13 pm 
Offline
Lieutenant-Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:40 pm
Posts: 17799
tgrant wrote:

I mean I have always gone by the stupid line "I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal". Now I wouldn't want to consider myself in the least bit socially liberal if the current definition of liberal is what the left leaning parties are claiming to be.


I am hearing that from alot from my California peeps these days. The SJW and Climate change nonsense is a big turn off. The US Democrat party has turned into a party of busy bodies that want to police every aspect of our lives and culture.

Throw in open borders and free ID's and tuition for illegal aliens - what's not to like?!


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:37 pm 
Offline
Major General
Major General
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:00 pm
Posts: 34795
Wunderschlung wrote:
My small appreciation of things is that, at least there will be shit happening, at least a strong democratic decision has been made, so no more fucking around, lets get Brexit done ffs


It'll be nice once the WA gets through next month to hear about other things for a few months, before people twig we could still end up without a trade deal with the EU by the end of the year.

Never mind, I'm sure Trump will give us a good deal.

_________________
Norks


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:21 pm 
Offline
Major General
Major General
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:00 pm
Posts: 34795
It sounds like Bojo's government is gonna wage a war against the BBC. Possibly withdrawing the TV licence and all sorts! What will Mullet write about then?

It should probably be a subscription service anyway.

_________________
Norks


Top
   
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:00 pm 
Offline
Colonel
Colonel
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 01, 2003 12:00 pm
Posts: 21610
Location: teh internet
Slacks wrote:
What will Mullet write about then?


Boris Johnson's hair


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:59 pm 
Offline
Holyman
Holyman
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:00 pm
Posts: 17788
Location: Earth
DECEMBER 17, 2019

Corbyn’s Defeat has Slain the Left’s Last Illusion

by JONATHAN COOK


This was an election of two illusions.

The first helped persuade much of the British public to vote last week for the very epitome of an Eton toff, a man who not only has shown utter contempt for most of those who voted for him but has spent a lifetime barely bothering to conceal that contempt. For him, politics is an ego-trip, a game in which others always pay the price and suffer, a job he is entitled to through birth and superior breeding.

The extent to which such illusions now dominate our political life was highlighted two days before the election with a jaw-dropping comment from a Grimsby fish market worker. He said he would vote Tory for the first time because “Boris seems like a normal working class guy.”

Johnson is precisely as working class, and “normal”, as the billionaire-owned Sun and the billionaire-owned Daily Mail. The Sun isn’t produced by a bunch of working-class lads down the pub having a laugh, nor is the Mail produced by conscientious middle managers keen to uphold “British values” and a sense of fair play and decency. Like the rest of the British media, these outlets are machines, owned by globe-spanning corporations that sell us the illusions – carefully packaged and marketed to our sectoral interest – needed to make sure nothing impedes the corporate world’s ability to make enormous profits at our, and the planet’s, expense.

The Sun, Mail, Telegraph, Guardian and BBC have all worked hard to create for themselves “personalities”. They brand themselves as different – as friends we the public might, or might not, choose to invite into our homes – so that they can win the largest share possible of the UK audience, capturing every section of the public as news consumers, while feeding us a distorted, fairytale version of reality that is optimal for business. They are no different to other corporations in that regard.

Media wot won it

British supermarkets like Tesco, Sainsbury, Lidl and Waitrose similarly brand themselves to appeal to different sections of the public. But all these supermarkets are driven by the same pathological need to make profits at all costs. If Sainsbury’s sells fair trade tea as well as traditionally produced tea, it is not because it cares more than Lidl about the treatment of workers and damage to the environment but because it knows its section of consumers care more about such issues. And as long as it makes the same profits on good and bad tea, why should it not cater to its share of the market in the name of choice and freedom?

The media are different from supermarkets in one way, however. They are not driven simply by profit. In fact, many media outlets struggle to make money. They are better seen as the loss-leader promotion in a supermarket, or as a business write-off against tax.

The media’s job is to serve as the propaganda arm of big business. Even if the Sun makes an economic loss, it has succeeded if it gets the business candidate elected, the candidate who will keep corporation tax, capital gains tax and all the other taxes that affect corporate profits as low as possible without stoking a popular insurrection.

The media are there to support the candidate or candidates who agree to sell off more and more public services for short-term profit, allowing the corporate vultures to pick hungrily at their carcasses. The media’s job is to back the candidate who will prioritise the corporations’ interests over the public’s, quick profits over the future of the NHS, the self-destructive logic of capitalism over the idea – socialist or not – of a public realm, of the common good. The corporations behind the Sun or the Guardian can afford to make a loss as long as their other business interests are prospering.

It’s not the Sun wot won it, it’s the entire corporate media industry.

BBC’s role exposed

The real revelation of this election, however, has been the BBC, the most well concealed of all those illusion-generating machines. The BBC is a state broadcaster that has long used its entertainment division – from costume dramas to wildlife documentaries – to charm us and ensure the vast majority of the public are only too happy to invite it into their homes. The BBC’s lack of adverts, the apparent absence of a grubby, commercial imperative, has been important in persuading us of the myth that the British Broadcasting Corporation is driven by a higher purpose, that it is a national treasure, that it is on our side.

But the BBC always was the propaganda arm of the state, of the British establishment. Once, briefly, in the more politically divided times of my youth, the state’s interests were contested. There were intermittent Labour governments trying to represent workers’ interests and powerful trade unions that the British establishment dared not alienate too strongly. Then, countervailing popular interests could not be discounted entirely. The BBC did its best to look as if it was being even-handed, even if it wasn’t really. It played by the rules for fear of the backlash if it did not.

All that has changed, as this election exposed more starkly than ever before.

What most newspaper front pages might have looked like this morning if they weren't all in the pocket of billionaire owners who want a Boris Johnson government at all costs

The reality is that the corporate class – the 0.001% – has been in control of our political life uninterrupted for 40 years. As in the United States, the corporations captured our political and economic systems so successfully that for most of that time we ended up with a choice between two parties of capital: the Conservative party and New Labour.

Hollowed-out society

The corporations used that unbroken rule to shore up their power. Public utilities were sold off, the building societies became corporate banks, the financial industries were deregulated to make profit the only measure of value, and the NHS was slowly cannibalised. The BBC too was affected. Successive governments more openly threatened its income from the licence fee. Union representation, as elsewhere, was eroded and layoffs became much easier as new technology was introduced. The BBC’s managers were drawn ever more narrowly from the world of big business. And its news editors were increasingly interchangeable with the news editors of the billionaire-owned print media.

In this election, the BBC cast off its public-service skin to reveal the corporate Terminator-style automaton below. It was shocking to behold even for a veteran media critic like myself. This restyled BBC, carefully constructed over the past four decades, shows how the patrician British establishment of my youth – bad as it was – has gone.

Now the BBC is a mirror of what our hollowed-out society looks like. It is no longer there to hold together British society, to forge shared values, to find common ground between the business community and the trade unions, to create a sense – even if falsely – of mutual interest between the rich and the workers. No, it is there to ringfence turbo-charged neoliberal capitalism, it is there to cannibalise what’s left of British society, and ultimately, as we may soon find out, it is there to generate civil war.

I didn't realise quite how quickly the BBC went back to its normal, knock-Corbyn-at-all-costs service. Skawkbox reports that this segment of the newspaper review was cut by BBC editors when the show was repeated an hour later

Shrunken moral horizons

The second illusion was held by the left. We clung to a dream, like a life-raft, that we still had a public space; that, however awful our electoral system was, however biased the red-tops were, we lived in a democracy where real, meaningful change was still possible; that the system wasn’t rigged to stop someone like Jeremy Corbyn from ever reaching power.

That illusion rested on a lot of false assumptions. That the BBC was still the institution of our youth, that it would play reasonably fair when it came to election time, giving Corbyn a level playing field with Johnson for the final few weeks of the campaign. That social media – despite the relentless efforts of these new media corporations to skew their algorithms to trap us in our own little echo chambers – would act as a counterweight to the traditional media.

But most importantly, we turned a blind eye to the social changes that 40 years of an unchallenged corporate-sponsored Thatcherism had wreaked on our imaginations, on our ideological lives, on our capacity for compassion.

As public institutions were broken apart and sold off, the public realm shrank dramatically, as did our moral horizons. We stopped caring about a society that Margaret Thatcher had told us didn’t exist anyway.

Large sections of the older generations profited from the sell-off of the public realm, and policies that flagrantly disregarded the planet’s future. They were persuaded that this model of short-term profit, of slash-and-burn economics from which they had personally benefited, was not only sustainable but that it was the only possible, the only good model.

The younger generations have never known any other reality. The profit motive, instant gratification, consumer indulgence are the only yardsticks they have ever been offered to measure value. A growing number have started to understand this is a sick ideology, that we live in an insane, deeply corrupted society, but they struggle to imagine another world, one they have no experience of.

How can they contemplate what the working class achieved decades ago – how a much poorer society created medical care for all, an NHS that our current one is a pale shadow of – when that history, that story of struggle is rarely told, and when it is it is told only through the distorting prism of the billionaire-owned media?

A rigged political system

We on the left didn’t lose this election. We lost our last illusions. The system is rigged – as it always has been – to benefit those in power. It will never willingly allow a real socialist, or any politician deeply committed to the health of society and the planet, to take power away from the corporate class. That, after all, is the very definition of power. That is what the corporate media is there to uphold.

This is not about being a bad loser, or a case of sour grapes.

In the extraordinary circumstances that Corbyn had overcome all these institutional obstacles, all the smears, and won last night, I was planning to write a different post today – and it would not have been celebratory. It would not have gloated, as Johnson’s supporters and Corbyn’s opponents in the Conservative party, large sections of the Labour parliamentary party, and the rightwing and liberal media are doing now.

This is the moment Freedland hoped and expected he would get back in 2017. He and the Guardian have had to wait another two years to gloat, but they did not waste the intervening period. Since then, they have worked industriously to make sure of a Corbyn defeat

No, I’d have been warning that the real battle for power was only just beginning. That however bad the past four years had been, we had seen nothing yet. That those generals who threatened a mutiny as soon as Corbyn was elected Labour leader were still there in the shadows. That the media would not give up on their disinformation, they would intensify it. That the security services that have been trying to portray Corbyn as a Russian spy would move from insinuation into more explicit action.

Future on our side

Nonetheless, we have the future on our side, dark as it may be. The planet isn’t going to heal itself with Johnson, Donald Trump and Brazil’s Jair Bolsonaro in charge. It’s going to get a lot sicker, a lot quicker. Our economy isn’t going to become more productive, or more stable, after Brexit. Britain’s economic fate is going to be tied even more tightly to the United States’, as resources run out and environmental and climate catastrophes (storms, rising seas levels, flooding, droughts, crop failures, energy shortages) mount. The contradictions between endless growth and a planet with finite resources will become even starker, the crashes of 2008 more familiar.

The corporate party Johnson’s victory has unleashed is going to lead, sooner or later, to a truly terrifying hangover.

The likelihood is that the Blairites will exploit this defeat to drag Labour back to being a party of neoliberal capital. We will once again be offered a “choice” between the blue and the red Tory parties. If they succeed, Labour’s mass membership will desert the party, and it will become once again an irrelevance, a hollow shell of a workers’ party, as empty ideologically and spiritually as it was until Corbyn sought to reinvent it.

It may be a good thing if this coup happens quickly rather than being dragged out over years, keeping us trapped longer in the illusion that we can fix the system using the tools the corporate class offers us.

We must head to the streets – as we have done before with Occupy, with Extinction Rebellion, with the schools strikes – to reclaim the public space, to reinvent and rediscover it. Society didn’t cease to exist. It wasn’t snuffed out by Thatcher. We just forgot what it looked like, that we are human, not machines. We forgot that we are all part of society, that we are precisely what it is.

Now is the time to put away childish things, and take the future back into our hands.

Jonathan Cook won the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His latest books are “Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East” (Pluto Press) and “Disappearing Palestine: Israel’s Experiments in Human Despair” (Zed Books). His website is http://www.jonathan-cook.net/

_________________
Image

"We are moving into an era where authority cannot be the Truth.

Only the Truth shall be the Authority in coming times, as the sanctity of all authorities will be questioned."
- Sadhguru


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:10 pm 
Offline
Colonel
Colonel
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:00 pm
Posts: 20598
^ I find it an amusing irony that a member of the media, a so-called journalist rails against the media because an election didn't go his way.

_________________
Ill sell ya the rope with which you shall hang yourself.
Capitalism for the Win.

PCNC and PBF live in death!


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:48 pm 
Offline
Lieutenant-Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:40 pm
Posts: 17799
SomeGuy wrote:
^ I find it an amusing irony that a member of the media, a so-called journalist rails against the media because an election didn't go his way.


Doesn't look like the political left in Britain learned a thing from last week's election.

"The Media and Corporations were biased against Corbyn and Labour!!"

Here's hoping that US Democrats don't learn anything either and keep up what they are doing.


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:38 pm 
Offline
Colonel
Colonel
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 01, 2003 12:00 pm
Posts: 21610
Location: teh internet
SomeGuy wrote:
^ I find it an amusing irony that a member of the media, a so-called journalist rails against the media because an election didn't go his way.


The thing about leftist activist types is that because they surround themselves with other leftist activist types and delete everyone in their life who isn't one, over time they begin to imagine that everyone sees the world their way. Thus when they lose an election it had to be Russians/corrupt media/global warming/something other than the fact that most people think they are wacko and just want normal shit without all the drama.


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:19 pm 
Offline
Brigadier General
Brigadier General
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:42 am
Posts: 27031
Foota wrote:
SomeGuy wrote:
^ I find it an amusing irony that a member of the media, a so-called journalist rails against the media because an election didn't go his way.


Doesn't look like the political left in Britain learned a thing from last week's election.

"The Media and Corporations were biased against Corbyn and Labour!!"

Here's hoping that US Democrats don't learn anything either and keep up what they are doing.



Corbyn was the most media smeared politician in history running for pm... Fucking disgraceful behaviour.

_________________
Empir immoto


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:22 pm 
Offline
Lieutenant-Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:40 pm
Posts: 17799
barcelona wrote:
Corbyn was the most media smeared politician in history running for pm... Fucking disgraceful behaviour.


Corbyn wouldn't last a minute with the US Press (if he was a Republican).

Every one to the Right of Marx gets pilloried by our shitty media as greedy racist nazis.


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:24 pm 
Offline
Lieutenant-Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:40 pm
Posts: 17799
Quote:
Does Labour understand why it lost?

The Labour Party (not “The Left”) is history. Even when Blair reduced the Conservatives to their heartlands in the 1990s, the party still had heartlands. Labour, in 2019, doesn’t. It’s a collective noun for student Marxists, trades union hard-men, and spiteful anti-Semites. That’s not a political party: it’s a pathogen. A pathogen with nowhere to replicate.

The Blairite leftovers in Parliament have no sociological constituency to give them hope. Were some miracle to strike the planet and, for example, Yvette Cooper to become leader: do you think her approach to immigration, or those robotically-repeated platitudes about equality, sprung from the deathly pages of an identity-politics HR manual, could win back the good people of, say, Sedgefield?

Neither will intellectual renewal come from the fourth estate for ‘moderate’ Labour (the scare quotes around ‘moderate’ are apposite, because I’m unclear how MPs who willingly empowered a hard-Left, terrorist-succouring leadership, and wanted you to vote it into power, could label themselves thus). The columnist cheerleaders of ‘moderate’ Labour, social democracy, whatever – they’ll keep coughing up their pro-EU yawn pieces, laced with their Boris hatred, until economic reality catches up with their increasingly un-read newspapers, and The Guardian closes its doors.

Could the Left’s future come from the gut, rather than the brain? Perhaps a mission can be discerned within the screech-sheet manifesto of Jess Phillip’s Twitterfeed: Boris-is-a-racist, Boris-hates-women, Boris-eats-your-kids, I’m authentic, me, I care therefore you can’t.

https://unherd.com/2019/12/does-labour- ... y-it-lost/


Top
   
PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:41 pm 
Offline
Major General
Major General
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:00 pm
Posts: 34795
And to think at one point it was looking like the Tories would be tearing itself apart and rendering themselves unelectable for the foreseeable.

:-??

Hey ho.

_________________
Norks


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 12:12 am 
Offline
Holyman
Holyman
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:00 pm
Posts: 17788
Location: Earth
Be patient, young padawan.

All good things to those who wait.

Always remember that the Future is on *OUR* side, not theirs.

B-)

_________________
Image

"We are moving into an era where authority cannot be the Truth.

Only the Truth shall be the Authority in coming times, as the sanctity of all authorities will be questioned."
- Sadhguru


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:06 am 
Offline
Holyman
Holyman
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:00 pm
Posts: 17788
Location: Earth
I think it's worth reaffirming at this stage that the only political label I'd even begin to consider accepting for myself, is Anarchist.

And that means that I lose out whenever *ANY* government gets elected...

But I've learned to live with disappointment.

Sure, *IF* I were ever to stand in an election for a central government (I wouldn't), the policies in my manifesto would look much more like Jeremy Corbyn's than Boris Johnson's.

But that's just because my manifesto, like JC's, would just be a list of all the things I believe in, rather than an advertising brochure designed to influence the weak of mind.

And speaking of Corbyn, I hope you guys realise he is just about the happiest politician in Westminster.

He stood for what he believed in, not for a desire to gain personal power. And he knows better than anyone that if he had won, he would now be looking at the worst five years of his life ahead of him, as he would be relentlessly attacked and opposed at every turn by the UK Establishment and Media.

As it is, he doesn't have to participate in the civil war that will likely tear "Labour [sic]" apart; and he doesn't have to manage Brexit.

But more than that, he is happy that he ran a mature and decent campaign, based on his own beliefs, rather than the desire to capture votes.

Fair play to him, I say.

Couldn't bring myself to register a vote for him though. A JC Labour Government would have set *MY* cause back years... And that's Time we haven't got.

As it is, now with Tweedle-Dee in Downing Street partnering Tweedle-Dum in the White House, the Stage is set for a very rapid conclusion to the whole Shit-Show.

They both simply lack the finesse and subtlety needed to maintain the con.

Now I'm not judging here. By my "standards": anything goes.

In fact, I have to admire the skill with sociological manipulation that ensures that people who are having an absolutely fucking miserable Time, keep enabling the same people who make them miserable.

There's probably a name for it, like "Battered Prole Syndrome" or something...

Whatever, it's an impressive achievement.

And like I say: not judging.

But sitting where I do, on the "Supply-Side" (so-to-speak) of all this misery, it is very clear that the Powerful are over-playing their diminishing hands.

That's beginning to happen all over the World right now, manifesting as Reactionary Nationalism vs. Progressive Globalisation.

The main problem the Reactionaries have is that everything has been going their way for 40 years or so. US Democrats and Blair's "New Labour", were/are as NeoLiberal as the Republicans and Tories, because they are all subsidiaries of the same corporate interests. So there's been no interruption to the Thatcher-Reagan "Medicine Show".

And how's that working out for everyone?

Everyone feeling optimistic and joyful when they think about their current and future lives? Everyone turning on the News channels and marvelling at what a wonderful World we have brought and will bring our children into? Everyone enjoying a fulfilling Work/Life balance?

Everyone got enough money?

Sooner or later, all the advertising, influencing, media barnstorming and other forms of psychological manipulation will become so obvious, it will have to be blamed on the Russians.

Because blaming the use of the techniques and methods on some foreign foe, usually distracts from discussion about the effectiveness of those techniques, and how ridiculous it is to think our own "friendly" politicians wouldn't use them with us.

I mean... "Big Data" and Analytics have totally transformed the way votes are herded these days. It's both horrifying and fascinating to see how easily collective human behaviour can be modelled, predicted and manipulated these days...

But that's the sort of stuff that the General Public are slowly growing aware of. And desperate and incompetent poluticians like Trump and BoJo are going to blow the gig wide open.

Which will be entertaining to watch, whilst the less-easily misguided amongst us get on with Creating what follows.

Gonna be fun!

<:-P

_________________
Image

"We are moving into an era where authority cannot be the Truth.

Only the Truth shall be the Authority in coming times, as the sanctity of all authorities will be questioned."
- Sadhguru


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:58 am 
Offline
Lieutenant-Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:40 pm
Posts: 17799
Holyman wrote:
Always remember that the Future is on *OUR* side, not theirs.
B-)


That's the spirit!

MOAR sanctimony!


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:07 am 
Offline
Holyman
Holyman
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:00 pm
Posts: 17788
Location: Earth
No.

Just Confidence.

B-)

_________________
Image

"We are moving into an era where authority cannot be the Truth.

Only the Truth shall be the Authority in coming times, as the sanctity of all authorities will be questioned."
- Sadhguru


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:15 am 
Offline
Colonel
Colonel
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 01, 2003 12:00 pm
Posts: 21610
Location: teh internet
What future?


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:55 am 
Offline
Holyman
Holyman
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:00 pm
Posts: 17788
Location: Earth
This one.

;)

_________________
Image

"We are moving into an era where authority cannot be the Truth.

Only the Truth shall be the Authority in coming times, as the sanctity of all authorities will be questioned."
- Sadhguru


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:23 pm 
Offline
Holyman
Holyman
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:00 pm
Posts: 17788
Location: Earth
I've tidied what I wrote above up a bit.

Can I get a Proof-Read..?!

[-O<

It’s at times like these that I have to reaffirm my status as an Anarchist.

I mean, I lose out every time any government gets elected, and I’ve learned to live with disappointment.

If I ever were to stand in an election for government (I wouldn’t), I suppose the policies in my manifesto would look much more like Jeremy Corbyn’s, than Boris Johnson’s. But that would be because my manifesto, like JC’s, would reflect all of the ideas I fully believe in; rather than being an advertising brochure designed to influence the weak of mind.

Speaking of Corbyn, I imagine he must be one of the happiest politicians in Westminster at the moment.

He stood for what he believed in, not for a desire to gain personal power. And he knows better than anyone just how truly miserable his life – and the lives of those he loves – would have become over the next five years. Or indeed, how his chances of surviving the next five years would have been greatly diminished…

As it is, he got further than anybody ever thought he would, and he can now sit back and watch the Labour Civil War re-erupt, now the Armistice of his late-tenure is over.

Oh, and he doesn’t have to manage Brexit either – which must be some kind of a relief.

But more than that, he will be happy that he ran a mature and decent campaign, based on his own beliefs and integrity, rather than a desire to capture votes at all costs.

Fair play to him, I say.

I couldn’t bring myself to vote for him, regrettably. A JC-led Labour Government would have set my cause back by years… And that’s time Humanity doesn’t have.

As it is, we now have Tweedle-Dee in Downing Street joining Tweedle-Dum in the White House (by much the same reasons and methods). And that means the Stage is set for a very rapid conclusion to this whole shit-show.

Trump and BoJo simply lack the subtlety and finesse required to maintain the Con.

Now I’m not judging here. By my anarchist “standards”: anything goes.

In fact, I have to admire the social manipulation skills: how they have managed to convince people who are having an absolutely miserable time, to keep enabling the same people who cause them to be miserable.

There’s probably a defined sociological term for it. Like “Battered Prole Syndrome”, or similar…

Whatever, it’s an impressive achievement, and like I say: not judging.

But sitting where I do in the City of London, on the “Supply-Side” (so-to-speak) of most of that misery, it is very clear that “Powerful” types epitomised by Trump and BoJo, are over-playing their diminishing hands.

The main problem that reactionaries, nationalists and neoliberals have, is that they’ve pretty much had everything going their way for the last forty years or so. Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and Barack Obama were (still are…) wholly-owned subsidiaries of the same financial and corporate interests as every other President and Prime Minister since Reagan and Thatcher.

Ronnie and Maggie’s “Snake-Oil Medicine” continues to be declared the only possible brew.

But how’s that working out for everyone?

Is everyone feeling optimistic and joyful, when they think about their current and future lives? Is everyone marvelling at what a wonderful World we are brining our children into, every time we look at the News? Is everyone enjoying the work they spend a third or more of their lives doing?

Has everyone got enough money?

Sooner or later, all the advertising, influencing, general media barnstorming and all the other forms of psychological and sociological manipulation will become so obvious, it won’t even still be possible to blame it on the Russians.

Trump and BoJo are obvious gluttons. They don’t know when to stop gorging themselves. They’ll over-expose themselves with short-term tricks (like BoJo convincing North Englanders that he’s a “decent, ordinary bloke”…), and even the most naïve will start to realise that if such power exists, it is unlikely to only be the Russian Government using it against them.

“Big Data”, “Analytics” and “Automated Intelligence” have totally transformed the way votes are herded these days; just as they have transformed the way corporations encourage humans to spend money they haven’t got, consuming stuff that is killing them. It is both horrifying and fascinating to see how easily collective human behaviour can be modelled, predicted and then manipulated these days.

But that’s the sort of stuff that the General Public are slowly growing aware of, now that the bumbling incompetents Trump and Johnson are trying to work the levers behind the green curtain. It is only a matter of time before the gig is blown wide open.

Which will be entertaining to watch, whilst the less-easily misguided among us get on with creating what will follow.

Gonna be fun!

<:-P

_________________
Image

"We are moving into an era where authority cannot be the Truth.

Only the Truth shall be the Authority in coming times, as the sanctity of all authorities will be questioned."
- Sadhguru


Top
   
PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:51 pm 
Offline
Lieutenant-Colonel
Lieutenant-Colonel
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:40 pm
Posts: 17799
Holyman wrote:
No.

Just Confidence.

B-)


You seemed pretty confident last week.


Top
   
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 1891 posts ]  Go to page Previous 171 72 73 74 75 76 Next

All times are UTC+01:00


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited