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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:54 pm 
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This was an election as important and as divisive for the UK as Margaret Thatcher’s victory in 1979.

Vast numbers of British people will never be reconciled to Boris Johnson as prime minister, or to Brexit. In fact a whole nation, Scotland, is already asking permission to leave.

...it is jaw dropping how utterly useless those who oppose Brexit were in putting to one side their tribal loyalties to vote tactically and prevent Johnson winning.

The passionate opposition to Johnson’s Brexit of Labour, the LibDems, the SNP and Plaid Cymru was completely overshadowed by their visceral instincts to crush each other in our First Past The Post electoral system.

What we witnessed yesterday was collective irrationality by the parties of the centre and left on a breathtaking scale.
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Everything became Trumpian slogans; "the Surrender Act" and ghastly "get Brexit done" being the two most important.

Politics has been simplified and – some would say – coarsened. There was no space for nuanced debate.

This matters and will have consequences.


https://www.itv.com/news/2019-12-13/the ... rt-peston/

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In fact a whole nation, Scotland, is already asking permission to leave.



SEE!!!!!! Last time you said it's a state, now it's nation. WTF is Scotland?!!!?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:23 pm 
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In fact a whole nation, Scotland, is already asking permission to leave.



SEE!!!!!! Last time you said it's a state, now it's nation. WTF is Scotland?!!!?


A country

:-?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:24 pm 
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Also the House of Lords needs to be replaced by an elected regional assembly, a bit like the Senate in the USA.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:32 pm 
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The real reason Labour lost:

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Footwear mystery as Diane Abbott votes in two left-footed shoes.

Diane Abbott went viral on social media today after she was spotted wearing two left shoes from different pairs while canvassing voters.

The shadow home secretary was pictured with Meg Hillier, the Labour candidate for Hackney South and Shoreditch, encouraging constituents to support Labour in a now-deleted tweet.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... ted-shoes/

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Slacks wrote:
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In fact a whole nation, Scotland, is already asking permission to leave.



SEE!!!!!! Last time you said it's a state, now it's nation. WTF is Scotland?!!!?


A country

:-?

:-??


That doesn't govern itself? Doesn't have a seat at the UN...doesn't field a team for the Olympics. I think they should leave. North Ireland should just become Ireland. Give the Falkland Islands to the Argentine's and...fuck. the. Welsh.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:42 pm 
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tgrant wrote:
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SEE!!!!!! Last time you said it's a state, now it's nation. WTF is Scotland?!!!?


A country

:-?

:-??


That doesn't govern itself? Doesn't have a seat at the UN...doesn't field a team for the Olympics. I think they should leave. North Ireland should just become Ireland. Give the Falkland Islands to the Argentine's and...fuck. the. Welsh.


This should explain it

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fuck. the. Welsh.


>>::$

In 30 years, we'll all be speaking Welsh.

Mark my words.


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PBFMullethunter wrote:
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fuck. the. Welsh.


>>::$

In 30 years, we'll all be speaking Welsh.

Mark my words.


Well we started well.. ;)

Thomas Jefferson read, spoke, and wrote Welsh as can be seen by his correspondence with his principal aid and fellow Welsh American icon Merriwether Lewis who corresponded with Jefferson in Welsh in all his dispatches whilst trailing and founding the Northwest Passage across America.. :-?

..aaanyway 2020's going to be interesting on these here Isles <:-P


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This should explain it

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RIGHT!!!??? =D>

Also my takeaway from that is that only 50% of British wash their hands after they pee.

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Holyshit!

It get's better. These are the same 2 guys (Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritch) that started the whole Russian bullshit in the US after Trump's election with Fusion GPS and the fake "dossier" that was used to justify spying on Trump's campaign.

The DOJ's Internal IG report that came out this week totally debunked this bullshit.

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Britain needs its own Mueller report on Russian ‘interference’
The British political system has become thoroughly compromised by Russian influence. It’s high time its institutions – including the media – woke up to that fact. In 2016, both the United Kingdom and the United States were the targets of Russian efforts to swing their votes. The aim was to weaken the alliances that had constrained Vladimir Putin’s ambitions, such as the European Union and Nato.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... edia-uk-us


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:14 pm 
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Holyshit!

It get's better. These are the same 2 guys (Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritch) that started the whole Russian bullshit in the US after Trump's election with Fusion GPS and the fake "dossier" that was used to justify spying on Trump's campaign.

The DOJ's Internal IG report that came out this week totally debunked this bullshit.

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Britain needs its own Mueller report on Russian ‘interference’
The British political system has become thoroughly compromised by Russian influence. It’s high time its institutions – including the media – woke up to that fact. In 2016, both the United Kingdom and the United States were the targets of Russian efforts to swing their votes. The aim was to weaken the alliances that had constrained Vladimir Putin’s ambitions, such as the European Union and Nato.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... edia-uk-us


BoJo wants the UK to be a mini-Murrica on the shores of Europe, so he'll be liking this.

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BoJo wants the UK to be a mini-Murrica on the shores of Europe, so he'll be liking this.


Just wait until you get Murrican-style healthcare. We'll fix your fissured butthole right up!


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:39 pm 
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Is Holyman out rioting?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:31 pm 
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Interesting snippet, but there are now more Irish nationalists representing Northern Ireland (i.e. Pro unification with the Republic of Ireland) than Unionists (i.e. Pro staying part of the United Kingdom).

Could get interesting/worrying.

The UK is going to consist of England and Wales at this rate.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:44 pm 
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And I wouldn't see the Taffies sticking around long after the Jocks and Micks have left.

Be a wonderful conclusion, IMO:

A united Ireland, and independent Scotland and Wales leave England, rejoin the EU and prosper, whilst non-EU England withers away as the undeclared 57th State of the U.S.

I'm feeling conflicted by the result...

On the one hand, it's great news for me personally, as my fee rate is going to skyrocket as the City of London becomes the World's leading Tax Haven (complimenting its current status as Money-Laundering Capital of the World), and a Tory Government will let me keep hold of much more of what I will earn than a Labour Govt would have...

But on the other hand, I know the next 5 years are going to be absolutely miserable for any British person who doesn't work in the City of London Financial Sector.

Really miserable.

I'm really impressed with the way the Tories managed to convince so many English Northerners that:

Despite being responsible for 9 years of austerity, and offering little more than cooked numbers in their 2019 manifesto...

And despite the fact that Tory mismanagement of its own internal party discipline is wholly responsible for the Brexit mess, and the Tories proposing no new approach other than trying to broker a deal between the EU and the UK parliament (same old, same old...)...

...That the UK would be better off carrying on down the same route that has caused so much paralysis these last 3 years.

I think most who voted Tory don't realise they have voted for a No-Deal Brexit.

BoJo still has the same challenge as Theresa May: he has to come up with a deal that both the EU and a majority of UK MPs will approve.

But it is now fully and widely understood that there is NO form of Brexit that would leave the UK in a better Economic condition than it is now as a member of the EU.

So the same challenge remains: get a deal agreed.

But now, BoJo has been re-elected solely on the basis of "Getting Brexit Done!".

So what happens come January 31st, if a deal hasn't been approved by both the EU and UK Parliament?

Will Boris put his country's long-term interests ahead of his own, short-term political survival..?

I wonder what the odds are..?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:48 pm 
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BoJos deal is already EU-approved in all but name, and Tory MPs have approved it in all but name.

The withdrawal agreement will get through, barring something unexpected.

Whether we'll get a trade deal by the end of 2020 is another matter entirely, but to be honest with the NI backstop it's less of a concern.

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Can't believe the stupidity of the British voters.... 5 more years of this shit???

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:03 am 
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Can't believe the stupidity of the British voters.... 5 more years of this shit???


The alternative was even more Brexit and a level of Socialism that was unpalatable to most.

I think it was less stupidity and more about wanting to get on with something, which may or may not be better than nothing.

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Democrats should probably listen to this

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BoJos deal is already EU-approved in all but name, and Tory MPs have approved it in all but name.


What does "...in all but name" mean?

Sounds to me like HoC MPs still have to vote to approve the deal...

Boris Johnson will address new Tory MPs as they prepare to vote on Brexit deal

And, you know, I mean, I'm *SURE* it will sail through no problem...

...'Cos BoJo *PROMISED* it would.

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Holyman wrote:
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BoJos deal is already EU-approved in all but name, and Tory MPs have approved it in all but name.


What does "...in all but name" mean?

Sounds to me like HoC MPs still have to vote to approve the deal...

Boris Johnson will address new Tory MPs as they prepare to vote on Brexit deal

And, you know, I mean, I'm *SURE* it will sail through no problem...

...'Cos BoJo *PROMISED* it would.

>*^*<


It's gonna go through. It would be suicidal for a Conservative MP to vote against it after that thumping election win.

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2019 UK General Election Results

Party------------------[No. of Seats]---[% of Seats]----[% of Vote]-------[Votes]----[Votes per Seat]

Conservative_____________365_________56.2__________43.6_____13,966,565______38,264
Labour__________________202_________31.1__________32.1_____10,268,776______50,835
Scottish National Party______48__________7.4___________3.9______1,242,372______25,882
Liberal Democrat___________11__________1.7__________11.5______3,696,423_____336,038
Plaid Cymru_______________4___________0.6___________0.5________153,265______38,316
Green Party_______________1___________0.2___________2.7________865,697_____865,697
Brexit Party_______________0____________0_____________2________642,303________n/a
Others___________________19__________2.9___________3.7_______1,176,515_______61,92

https://ge2019.electoral-reform.org.uk/

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