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Snuck a peek at the EU election results so far. The new Brexit Party look to be running away with it. Liberal Democrats in 2nd place, then Labour and the Greens. Conservatives are almost nowhere.

Across Europe it sounds like the 'right wing', Greens and liberals are doing well against the established centre-ish parties.

Added: correction, right wing apparently not done as well as expected. Difficult really to tell without knowing all the parties of Europe.

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Boris Johnson going to stand trail over his buffoonery bullshit.

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Boris Johnson going to stand trail over his buffoonery bullshit.


Assuming you meant 'trial' there.

Anyway, so he's appearing in court for allegedly making a false claim during the Brexit campaign. It's a private prosecution that's been crowdfunded. Politicians always lie so I can't see this going anywhere, and if by some small miracle it did then the UK is about to become governmentless.

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The Maybot is Gone

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Many Brits, wallowing in their post-imperial hangover, sometimes make fun of countries, typically in southern Europe and Latin America, which from time to time are afflicted with a political paralysis— “Look at country X, still can’t put together a government after 3 elections”, etc.

Ukania has however exceeded countries such as X when it comes to governmental paralysis.

It only took a single election, in 2017, to allow the Tories to form a minority government with the support of the northern Irish DUP (founded by the rabble-rousing hate-preacher Ian Paisley), that has been paralyzed ever since by its utter inability to negotiate any kind of Brexit deal with the EU.

The coming to power of the Tories in that single election has ensued in just as much governmental paralysis as country X with its inability to acquire a functioning government after 2-3 elections.

Ukania as Ruritania as Kakania (the latter being Robert Musil’s term in his great novel The Man Without Qualities (1930), describing the Habsburg monarchy as mired in a self-stultifying political morass overlaid by mindless flummery that has no limits; and Ukania being Tom Nairn’s term to designate the UK’s own embodiment of Kakania).

Ukania/Ruritania/Kakania—Brits currently have little choice but to go for all three when it comes to describing their laughing-stock of country.

Groups within Ukania treat Brexit as a battle that must be fought to the death, but really the issues that appear to cause divisions in this dog-fight are moot in a wider scheme of things.

Remain in the EU? Accept the rule of Eurocrats who will do the bidding of the multinational corporations.

Leave the EU? Accept the implacable will of the multinational corporations through bilateral trade deals conducted under the auspices of the window-dressing WTO.

Either way, Ukania’s Joe and Jill Normal will be stiffed.

However, presumed nuance in such matters can’t be overlooked—is there any likelihood that one of these two options (Leave vs Remain) will stiff our Joe and Jill just a little bit less than the other?

It is hard to decide if this choice has to be made solely on the basis of workable policy and compelling political principle.

Here, a more plausible decision-making approach may reside in assessing, as clear-sightedly as possible, the political actors upholding this or that position vis-à-vis Brexit.

The Brexiters, in the main, are either retro-imperialists or upholders of an even less-regulated capitalism (or both). The retro-imperialism is a fantasy, but the less-regulated capitalism is not, though the former is used as a cloak to con misty-eyed imperial Brit nostalgics into acquiescing in the latter.

The Remainers are by and large believers in a more cosmopolitan order (hence scorned by Steve Bannon and his ilk as “globalists”), and a somewhat more regulated capitalism, albeit one still superintended by billionaire hedge fund managers and property tycoons.

Another grouping that has to be considered in any kind of Brexit typology are those who for decades have been proponents of a so-called Lexit.

I have been a Lexiteer since I was a teenager in the 1960s (when the UK entered the then European Community), on the grounds that no country in that entity could achieve an adequate socialism because the EC/EU was always going to work for the capitalist corporations whilst giving bromides to plebs like me.

The determination I made at that time, though largely correct, needs now to be reassessed in the current context of a neoliberal globalization.

It is a no-brainer that a no-deal Brexit will be an unqualified capitulation to the imperatives of this neoliberal globalization.

All that Brexit supporters (such as Bannon and company) want is a globalized capitalism, albeit one accommodating xenophobic “nationalist” characteristics, and UK Brexiters such as BoJo Johnson and Nigel Farage, are in the same boat as Bannon.

Remain, on adequate terms will, hopefully, be a half, or maybe a less than half, capitulation to the imperatives of this neoliberal globalization. However, we should not forget that the big UK corporations are fervent Remainers, and this for damn good (capitalist) reasons.

So: as a Lexiteer what does one choose?

Jeremy Corbyn has always been a Lexiteer, and now has to steer Labour into making a choice.

Actually, it is not Corbyn’s or Labour’s choice to make.

Brexit has been such an indecisive shambles for the UK that only a second referendum, fraught thought it will be, can approximate to a choice made by “the people” with regard to a future Brexit outcome.

A second Brexit referendum will be an imperfect but marginally better option than the dead-end Brexit alternatives available to Brits thus far.

Kenneth Surin is emeritus at Duke University. He lives in Blacksburg, Virginia.

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Lexiteer.......you blokes have added about a 100 wonderful new words to the English language with this whole leaving the EU thing.

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DId i hullucinate all this or did david cameron not say on camera about 3 1/2 years ago that Brexit would be put to a vote, and that the end of it no further referendums? I’m assuming thinking it would loose big time and then all the cry baby Brexit shits would have to shut the hell up and never get another chance at a do over.

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John Cleese criticised for saying London is 'no longer an English city'

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Mr Khan responded: "These comments make John Cleese sound like he's in character as Basil Fawlty.

"Londoners know that our diversity is our greatest strength."


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DId i hullucinate all this or did david cameron not say on camera about 3 1/2 years ago that Brexit would be put to a vote, and that the end of it no further referendums? I’m assuming thinking it would loose big time and then all the cry baby Brexit shits would have to shut the hell up and never get another chance at a do over.

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Cameron said a lot of things. A lot of people said a lot of things. Turns out that politicians talk a lot of crap and break promises. Who knew?

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I heard some shit talkers down by the water cooler talking shit that soon the U.K. Will have no steel production. Is this true and if so what the shit?

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We still probably will, but everything is owned by other countries these days.

I think Corbyn is a cheeky little prick asking for a meeting with Trump, who I think did the right thing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48515506

As if he is gonna adjust the schedule for that tool?


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:09 pm 
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Trump got trolled by Corbyn.

In the UK, the Leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition, is a formal Office of State. And as such, is entitled to a number of different rights and proprieties. One of which is being automatically invited to all State Occasions; another is being allowed to meet with visiting Heads of other States, on official State Visits.

Global Diplomatic Convention is also that visiting Heads of State will meet with the leaders of both of the two leading Political Parties - 'cos you never know how long the one they are Officially Visiting will remain Head of State...

It's all for Show, of course. If Trump had met with Corbyn, it would only have been to tick the box that the meeting had taken place. Nothing of any substance or interest would have resulted.

But Corbyn is obviously not a big fan of Trump (and *IF* Trump thinks at *ALL* about Jeremy Corbyn, then he'll think of him as an Un-Person...), and he was always going to be joining the Anti-Trump Protests.

So it's important to understand:

Corbyn did not ask Trump for a 1-to-1 meeting because he wants to talk about anything with Trump; Corbyn asked for the meeting *KNOWING* that Trump would reject it.

Went according to plan, I think.

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The reason I think he was a cheeky get, is because Corbyn knocked back being at the state banquet THEN requests a meet. Friggin hell mate, you know what the logistics are like, all stop for me even though i knocked back an invite and you're off to the D-Day thing with the Queen whilst I publicly slag you off.

If Corbyn did troll Trump, I didn't see any points scored. In fact Trump behaved as mature as I've known, perfect opportunity for a childish tweet, but nah, nothing.


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Wunderschlung wrote:

If Corbyn did troll Trump, I didn't see any points scored. In fact Trump behaved as mature as I've known, perfect opportunity for a childish tweet, but nah, nothing.


Your Queen seemed to dig Donald.......at least based on all the public statements and pictures.

Looked like they all had a great time.


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Hey guys, tell everyone you did drugs and regret it, its what all the cool kids are doing....


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Hey guys, tell everyone you did drugs and regret it, its what all the cool kids are doing....


Why the fuck is Gove doing coke even remotely near headline news? It was 20 years ago ffs.

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They are falling over each other to confess, wankers.


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JUNE 11, 2019

Forget Russiagate, Now it’s US-gate! US Election Meddling Extends to Britain


by DAVE LINDORFF

So now we have pompous Mike Pompeo, America’s current Secretary of State, on a visit to the UK, assuring a group of British Jewish leaders in a closed-door meeting that the US would work to prevent Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn from becoming prime minister if his party were to win enough votes in the next national parliamentary election to get the opportunity to try and form a new British government.

In a recording leaked to the Washington Post, Pompeo assured a group of Jewish leaders in Britain yesterday that the US government would “push back” against Corbyn becoming prime minister in such a case, working behind the scenes to prevent a victorious Labour party from voting in Corbyn as Prime Minister.

In the British parliamentary system, the party with the most votes after an election, if it wins an outright majority, or, as the Conservatives did in the last election, a plurality of votes and then is able to successfully cobble together a majority by bringing in other parties, then can use that majority to elect a new prime minister. Normally the new PM is the leader of the party that won the most votes, but that need not be the case.

A questioner on the tape is heard asking Pompeo, “Would you be willing to work with us to take on actions if life becomes very difficult for Jews in the UK?” — an obvious reference to a rabid ongoing campaign in the largely conservative UK media and among zionist groups in the UK to tar Corbyn as an anti-semite because of his outspoken defense of Palestinians under Israeli occupation.

Pompeo, obviously not aware he is being taped, appears to suggest in his answer on the leaked recording that the US would seek to prevent Corbyn from becoming PM. “It could be that Mr Corbyn manages to run the gauntlet and get elected,” he says. “It’s possible. You should know, we won’t wait for him to do those things [presumably making life ‘difficult for the Jews in the UK’] to begin to push back. We will do our level best. It’s too risky and too important and too hard once it’s already happened.”

This — an acknowledgment that the US would try to influence the selection of Britain’s parliamentary leader — is truly an astonishing statement coming from a top US government official, and particularly a secretary of state. I mean we all know that the US routinely messes with elections all over the third world, and even in European countries, but our leaders don’t normally admit it, even in private, preferring to tout the US as a paragon of “democratic values.”

Imagine if Corbyn were Prime Minister in 2020, and his foreign minister were caught on tape in the US telling a group of black leaders or Muslim leaders that his government would try mightily to prevent Donald Trump from winning re-election?

Oh, I know, he or she would immediately be given a ticker-tape parade in San Francisco, New York and Boston! But seriously, much of the nation, and the media, would go ballistic.

Of course, AIPAC, Israel’s lobbying organization in the US. does exactly that kind of thing every election year, but still, as a matter of decorum and at least the pretense of respect for other nations’ sovereignty, one doesn’t expect to hear a secretary of state talking about such crude interference in the democratic process in another country, particularly in a nation which is America’s closest ally aside from perhaps outright dependencies like Taiwan or Dubai.

Not surprisingly, the response in the UK has been mostly outrage.

A Labour Party official told the British Guardian newspaper, “President Trump and his officials’ attempts to decide who will be Britain’s next prime minister are an entirely unacceptable interference in the UK’s democracy.”

The dust-up over Pompeo’s leaked remarks should be recalled as one contemplates the absurd obsession among Democrats here about alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 US election continues apace.

Yet certainly nothing Russia is accused of doing — like buying ads allegedly intended to promote division in the US on Facebook, or using bots to promote disharmony on various social media platforms — comes close to what Pompeo is proposing doing: actually using the full weight of the US government, with its ability to offer gifts of free weapons or conversely to impose punitive tariffs, not to mention making available the nefarious abilities and persuasive powers of the CIA and NSA to prevent the selection of a chosen party leader as prime minister following victory in an election (Pompeo was CIA director before becoming Secretary of State).

The hubris of this grotesque Tea Party Congressman-turned “top diplomat” is simply appalling.

One would have thought any self-respecting British Tory politician would have instantly denounced Pompeo’s suggested intrusion into the workings of the British electoral system, but so far there hasn’t been a peep from any of that party’s leaders, who no doubt actually support the idea of the US preventing their nemesis Corbyn from ever moving into 10 Downing Street.

His comments may, however, have the effect of bolstering support for Corbyn among Labour’s rank-and-file. Corbyn has already survived several concerted attempts from the Blairite faction of his party to unseat him as party leader, always emerging stronger from those attacks. My guess is the same thing will happen here, when a clumsy outsider from across the Atlantic offers to do the same thing.

Meanwhile American liberals should keep this incident in mind as they continue to wallow in the self-destructive effort to conjure up a fake story line that the Russians “stole” the 2016 election for Trump by undermining Hillary Clinton’s campaign, when in fact it was the Democratic Party leadership and Clinton herself who blew that election. Those leaders are well on the way to blowing the next one, too, for example by refusing to hold a a presidential debate focused on the existential issue of climate change.

Pompeo may think he has to “save” the Jews of Britain from Corbyn and Britain from the anti-Brexiters in the Labour Party, but at the rate things are going here in the US, nobody is going to have to come in from the outside to “save” America from a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress in 2020. The Democrats, with their continuing whining about Russiagate, look like they’ll manage that all by themselves.

Dave Lindorff is a founding member of ThisCantBeHappening!, an online newspaper collective, and is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press).

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We are going to be soooo great once Boris Johnson is Prime Minister. So very excited about the floppy haired cunt being our leader and representing the best interests of Britain.

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We are going to be soooo great once Boris Johnson is Prime Minister. So very excited about the floppy haired cunt being our leader and representing the best interests of Britain.


He'll get along famously with Drumpf. Maybe they'll have a contest to see who can have the dumbest possible hair.


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