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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:01 pm 
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Trump finally heard/read what was in Mattis resignation letter so Mattis is out quickly and is no longer a great guy.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:58 pm 
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Trump finally heard/read what was in Mattis resignation letter so Mattis is out quickly and is no longer a great guy.


Sounds about right.

Anyway, so is it fair to say that Trump may lose a reasonable chunk of his core voters if he doesn't make progress on the wall? Even Fox News isn't adopting a particularly friendly approach to reporting on him. I'm worried he may not win in 2020 after all and the lulz will be reduced.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:43 am 
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I'm worried he may not win in 2020 after all and the lulz will be reduced.


Wut?

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I might be mis-remembering, but I thought one of Trump's major campaign promises was the he would force the Mexican Government to pay for the wall.


You are right. Mexico is not paying for the wall, but we did get some major concessions. Like this one below.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/us/p ... rants.html

One of the biggest immigration scams are illegals claiming refugee status and then let free in the US and never returning for their asylum court cases. Now they have to wait in Mexico for their court cases to be heard. That is a really big deal. I think we got Mexico to do this because we just gave them several billion to secure their southern border from Central America.


It’s always enjoyable watching you wriggling on a hook Foota. :)

The United States has rejected its obligations under the 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, and the subsequent 1967 protocol.

The U.S. has unilaterally decided to treat refugees (those claiming political asylum) as illegal immigrants.

That is all.

And because the U.S. refuses to admit refugees whilst it considers their asylum application, those refugees have no alternative but to wait in Mexico.

This is not a deal that the U.S. has brokered with the Mexican Government, in exchange for not requiring Mexico to pay for the wall.

Trump told his supporters that he would get the Mexican Government to pay for his wall: the Mexican Government just laughed at him.

Trump tried for two years to get a Republican Congress to pay for his wall: they just laughed at him too.

So now he tacks the spending requirement onto the first Appropriations Bill the new Congress is supposed to pass in January…

(‘cos, you know, the 116th U.S. Congress doesn’t convene for the first time until 3rd January, 2019…)

It’s not that it’s a political tactic aimed at deflecting criticism away from the Trump Administration: it’s that it is a *CHEAP* tactic, that isn’t fooling anyone except Trump’s most ardent supporters.

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I think he also ran on the populist Reagan line, that "Government *IS* the problem."

But now he is threatening a Government shutdown, unless the U.S. Government pays for the wall.


Technically, it is the Senate Democrats threatening to shut down the government over a measly $5 Billion on the wall. The funding passed the House and Trump will sign it. We just need the Senate to pass it. But the minority power Democrats have enough votes to block it. So they are the ones playing politics with the shut down.


“Technically”, eh?

But it is *ACTUALLY* President Trump attaching the “measly $5 billion” to the appropriations bill that has caused the shutdown though, isn’t it?

If Trump hadn’t tacked on the $5 billion for his wall, Congress would pass the bill, right?

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Why didn't the Republican Congress authorise this expenditure Foota?


There are a lot of Chamber of Commerce Republicans who are still backwards on immigration. That said, Republicans passed some expenditures for border security, but Republicans still didn't have the 60 votes in the Senate to get it done with Democrats blocking it.

Most Republicans would run and shriek at the notion of a shut down over Christmas. But Trump is crazy enough to stare them down. We'll see where it goes.
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Still wriggling I see…

So I think what you are saying is there are not enough elected politicians in the US Congress – elected to represent the views of US Citizens – to approve the funding for the Wall… And there hasn’t been since Trump became President.

So why would Trump attach a spending item to a critically important spending bill, if he knows for a fact that Democrats *AND* Republicans in the House and Senate will reject it?

Trump *KNEW* that was going to be the outcome, when *HE* decided to attach the Wall funding item.

So…

Who’s fault is the shutdown?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:16 pm 
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Holyman wrote:

But it is *ACTUALLY* President Trump attaching the “measly $5 billion” to the appropriations bill that has caused the shutdown though, isn’t it?

If Trump hadn’t tacked on the $5 billion for his wall, Congress would pass the bill, right?

:-?


Yes Trump played politics with it at the last minute. Shocker, a politician is aggressively using politics to try and enact his agenda!

But $5 billion is not even one half of one percent of the annual budget. It is a fucking rounding error in the monstrosity of the US Federal budget.

It is now up to the Democrats in the Senate to explain to the American people why such a pittance of money over some border security is worth shutting the government down.


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As I understand it, it costs the U.S. taxpayer about $5billion a week to have the Government shutdown.

This isn't about money Foota: it's about Checks & Balances.

Do you think Trump ought to be allowed to do whatever he thinks best?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:53 pm 
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Do you think Trump ought to be allowed to do whatever he thinks best?

:-?


No - but here we have the case of the MINORITY party (Democrats in the Senate) shutting the government down because they don't want to give Trump money for border security.

Trump ran on and truly believes (like the majority of Americans) that our border needs more security, including walls in many places.

Democrats are just playing politics and don't want to give Trump (and the American people) a "win".


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Still didn't get it when Repubs had a majority though

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:33 pm 
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Still didn't get it when Repubs had a majority though


Need 60 votes in the Senate for legislation. Republicans only had 52 seats in the Senate. They picked up a couple more Senate seats during the midterm elections, but they still won't have 60 votes.

Every Democrat in the Senate is voting against border security and shutting down the government.

This is how Democrats roll. Did you see the despicable behavior of Senate Democrats during the Kavanaugh nomination for the Supreme Court?


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All the people that are not Mexican trying to get in have been offered asylum in Mexico and refused it
That's how that works
You request asylum in the first country you get to not the best one you can find

They were convinced by People Without Boarders to turn down Mexico's offer and are now fucked
Almost all will be denied
They could have requested asylum at the US embassy in their own countries but then there would not have been a big show for the media

The midterms are over
These people have served their purpose
No one cares about them anymore

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:31 pm 
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Need 60 votes in the Senate for legislation. Republicans only had 52 seats in the Senate. They picked up a couple more Senate seats during the midterm elections, but they still won't have 60 votes.

Every Democrat in the Senate is voting against border security and shutting down the government.

This is how Democrats roll. Did you see the despicable behavior of Senate Democrats during the Kavanaugh nomination for the Supreme Court?


Didn't the Republican Party behave identically during the Obama Administration?

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Trump's tweets have been good value these past couple of days. Man he REALLY wants that wall. Even threatening to close the southern border entirely, suspend aid and withdraw from facelifted NAFTA (again). Nothing about the somewhat alarming market performance these past few weeks of course.

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Mexico first!

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The 1848 border was the line of battle demarcating territory held by the US Army vs that of Mexico.

We went as far as Mexico City and took it. Going by that, we'd own nearly all of Mexico.

Or at least, they're indebted to us for "giving back" everything north of Mexico City and south of the present border and thus must pay for the wall in full and start sorting their own shit out.

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha111!!!!!111!

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha111!!!!!111!

Gets me every time


What am I looking at here?

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha111!!!!!111!

Gets me every time


What am I looking at here?


looks like people


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The white guy on the left in the front row looks like a #MeToo groper.

And maybe it's just the camera angle but the black guy on the far right looks like his eyes don't see straight, like he's got a lazy eye or something.

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I GIS'd it and found this.

https://mashable.com/2016/11/11/white-h ... q6o1TL4qqm

Fake news, basically.

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I GIS'd it and found this.

https://mashable.com/2016/11/11/white-h ... q6o1TL4qqm

Fake news, basically.


Looks like you’re getting to the bottom of this intriguing puzzle.


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So when is Trump going to 'clarify' what he said directly to US troops about their pay raise?

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