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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 9:52 am 
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I can't understand why the Republic 'Axis of Evil' of Iran would feel so threatened.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 11:37 am 
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Somehow, some way, in some vexatious interpretation of some comments from some Iranian clerics, at some point in Time...

An opinion was expressed that Life would be a lot less stressful for Iranians, if Israel didn't exist.

That's more or less all you have in the "Iranian Threat" column.

In the other column:

The United States used Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi military to carry out an atrocious 8-year long conflict with Iran, that killed at least a million people, and ended in a No-Score Draw.

Israel has on several occasions bombed targets within Iran. The United States unleashed the Stuxnet virus into the computer systems controlling Iran's nuclear research facilities.

George W. Bush included Iran in his "Axis of Evil", along with Iraq and North Korea, and vowed to rid the World of its menace.

The U.S., Israel, Saudi Arabia and other (Sunni Muslim) Gulf States all insist (repeatedly) that Iran is a terrible threat, and must be destroyed.

Iran is the most prominent of a small handful of Shia Muslim Nations.

ISIS, Al Qaeda and all the other Muslamic radicals we've been enduring for the past couple of decades, are *ALL* Sunni Muslim outfits, who hate Shia Muslims more than they hate Westerners.

And that's just a sample of what's in the Iran-Threatening column.

Difficult to understand why Iran would *NOT* feel so threatened, isn't it?

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 2:45 pm 
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Holyman wrote:
Somehow, some way, in some vexatious interpretation of some comments from some Iranian clerics, at some point in Time...

An opinion was expressed that Life would be a lot less stressful for Iranians, if Israel didn't exist.

That's more or less all you have in the "Iranian Threat" column.


Militarily supporting Assad and Hezbollah goes against US and Israeli interests. Not exactly what you might call an existential threat, but an inconvenience apparently worthy of all this shenanigans.

Also NUCLEAR MISSILE. Maybe. And definitely not with the treaty that Trump and friends have torn up.

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If that Ayatollah dude just trimmed his beard and dropped the diaper wrap, it would go a long way to mending relations with the U.S.


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Holyman wrote:
Somehow, some way, in some vexatious interpretation of some comments from some Iranian clerics, at some point in Time...

An opinion was expressed that Life would be a lot less stressful for Iranians, if Israel didn't exist.

That's more or less all you have in the "Iranian Threat" column.


Well - that is pretty fucking weird considering Iran and Israel have never shared a border, been to war or have any land in dispute. The Palestinians sided with Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war, yet Iran has an all consuming hatred of Israel. No other nation on earth routinely PUBLICLY threatens to wipe the other off the map like Iran does with Israel.

Since there is no historical border grievance, it must be Iran's fanatical religious ideology driving their Joo hatred.



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ISIS, Al Qaeda and all the other Muslamic radicals we've been enduring for the past couple of decades, are *ALL* Sunni Muslim outfits, who hate Shia Muslims more than they hate Westerners.

:-??


Yet, the Sunnis and Shia seem able to put aside their hatred for each other if they are united in their hatred of Israel or the US. Iran funding Hamas (who backed Saddam) is a prime example. And despite Obama's best efforts to keep much of the Bin Laden raid documents secret so he could get the Iran Nuke Deal signed, the documents were ultimately released last year under Trump and we learned that Iran and Al Qaeda were much more allied than we were told.

Newly Released Bin Laden Document Describes Iran, Al Qaeda Link
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No other nation on earth routinely PUBLICLY threatens to wipe the other off the map like Iran does with Israel.


.......Aaaaaaaand: back to business.

Yeah does!

Your flippin' nation, you berk!

All the other nations on Earth combined, don't in a single year attack, threaten, coerce, subvert and generally screw up as many other nations as the United States does.

The problem you have Foota, is that the scale you are using to measure Iran's threat potential, is, well, more or less infinitely larger than the microscopic scale you use to measure the United States' or Israel's threat potential.

Some of us are using the same scale to measure all parties to the conflict. You're not.

It's no biggie.

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Iran are firing shit back at Israel now.

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Iranian forces in Syria have fired about 20 rockets at Israeli targets in the Golan Heights, according to the Israel Defence Force.

Sirens sounded across the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights throughout the attack, sending residents to bomb shelters in the early hours of Thursday.


Israeli military spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Conricus said later that damage to Israeli positions was "limited".

He said on Twitter: "Iranian Quds force fired 20 rockets towards forward IDF (Israeli Defence Force) positions on Golan Heights.

"Several rockets intercepted.

"No Israeli casualties.

"The IDF views this Iranian attack with severity."

The pro-Syrian government Al-Mayadeen TV said more than 50 missiles had been fired at Israeli forces.

Later, Israeli fire was reported, with Syrian state media saying dozens of rockets were fired into the country, destroying a radar installation and hitting an ammunition dump.


https://news.sky.com/story/iran-fires-2 ... s-11365980

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Iran are firing shit back at Israel now.

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Iranian forces in Syria have fired about 20 rockets at Israeli targets in the Golan Heights, according to the Israel Defence Force.

Sirens sounded across the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights throughout the attack, sending residents to bomb shelters in the early hours of Thursday.


Israeli military spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan Conricus said later that damage to Israeli positions was "limited".

He said on Twitter: "Iranian Quds force fired 20 rockets towards forward IDF (Israeli Defence Force) positions on Golan Heights.

"Several rockets intercepted.

"No Israeli casualties.

"The IDF views this Iranian attack with severity."

The pro-Syrian government Al-Mayadeen TV said more than 50 missiles had been fired at Israeli forces.

Later, Israeli fire was reported, with Syrian state media saying dozens of rockets were fired into the country, destroying a radar installation and hitting an ammunition dump.


https://news.sky.com/story/iran-fires-2 ... s-11365980

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This was expected as netanyajooo colaborated with trump the Jew sucker to fuck Iran in the ass.



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:09 am 
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Israelis are firing back now, obviously.

And to be clear, because this is likely to get forgotten in the Fog that follows:

The Golan Heights are Syrian territory that is illegally occupied by the Israeli Military.

Israel continues to ignore multiple U.N. Security Council Resolutions requiring it to withdraw from the Golan Heights.

No rockets have been fired at, or attacks launched against sovereign Israeli territory.

Yet.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:51 am 
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Israelis are firing back now, obviously.


Apparently they took out most of Iran's military infrastructure in Syria.

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MAY 11, 2018

If Europe Wants to Remain on the World Stage, It Must Resist Trump on Iran

by PATRICK COCKBURN


“Iraq is at the muzzle of the gun,” says Ali Allawi, Iraqi historian and former minister, speaking of the increased turmoil expected to follow the US withdrawal from the Iran nuclear agreement.

It is not only Iraq which is in danger: an escalating confrontation between the US and Iran will affect the whole region, but its greatest impact will be in Syria and Iraq where wars have long been raging and Washington and Tehran are old rivals.

The US will rely at first on the reimposition of economic sanctions on Iran to force it to comply with US demands and hopefully bring about regime change in Tehran. But, if this does not work – and it will almost certainly fail – then there will be a growing risk of military action either carried out directly by the US or through “green-lighting” Israeli airstrikes.

Iran is for the moment reacting cautiously to Trump’s denunciation of the 2015 accord, portraying itself as the victim of arbitrary action and seeking to spur the EU states into taking practical steps to resist imposing draconian sanctions along the lines of those that were imposed before 2015. Even if this does not happen, it will be important for Iran that the Europeans should only grudgingly cooperate with the US in enforcing sanctions, particularly on Iranian oil exports.

A problem for the US is that Trump has made the Iranian nuclear deal negotiated by Barack Obama the issue on which he will test the limits of US power which he had pledged to expand. But the agreement is internationally popular and is seen to be working effectively in denying Iran the ability to develop a nuclear device. The US is therefore becoming self-isolated, with full support only from Israel and Saudi Arabia, in the first weeks of a crisis that could go on for years.

Already Trump’s determination to sink the deal forever has involved marginalising and humiliating France, Germany and UK. They had pleaded for it to be preserved but made more palatable to the US by separate agreements on ballistic missiles and other issues. Trump seems to have enjoyed the procession of European leaders from Emmanuel Macron to Boris Johnson asking for compromise, only to go away empty-handed.

If the European leaders now go along with sanctioning Iran, there will be even less reason for Trump to take their views seriously in future. They have already seen their attempt to appease him on climate change fail to produce anything, so they either have to accept that they have less influence and a reduced role in the world or make a serious attempt to preserve the nuclear accord.

But even if they do so, the US will be able to put intense economic pressure on Iran and its trading partners. Banks and companies are terrified of incurring the ire of the US Treasury and facing massive fines for even an unintentional breach of sanctions. Even if EU governments want their companies to go on investing in Iran, they may consider the risk too great.

Sanctions are a powerful but blunt instrument, take a long time to work and usually do not produce the political dividends expected by those who impose them. The Iranian rial may fall and hyperinflation return to 40 per cent, but this will most likely not be enough if Iran returns to enriching uranium. It has already said that it is not going to keep abiding by its part of the nuclear agreement if it is not getting any of the economic benefits promised.

What will the US do then? This is the crucial question for the Middle East and the rest of the world. Trump has just torpedoed any diplomatic solution to what he sees as the threat of Iran developing a nuclear bomb. The only alternative is a military response, but this would have to be more than a few days of intense airstrikes. Anything less than total war would not win for Trump the kind of results he says he wants.

Iran may be weak economically, but politically and militarily it is in a strong position in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon, the countries likely to provide the main arena for the coming crisis. In all three places it is Iran’s fellow Shia who are in control and see the US as an ally of the Sunni states in what is in large part a sectarian Shia-Sunni conflict.

Has the Trump administration thought any of this through? The crisis is beginning to feel very much like that in the buildup to the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Some of the same figures, such as the national security adviser John Bolton, are the very same neoconservatives who believed that invading and occupying Iraq would be an easy business. They sound as if they are bringing the same blend of arrogance and ignorance to their coming confrontation with Iran.

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Iran is for the moment reacting cautiously to Trump’s denunciation of the 2015 accord, portraying itself as the victim.....


Iran firing 70 rockets into Israel from Syria is reacting cautiously?

Or was that Iranian attack less than 24 hours after Trump's announcement unrelated?


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Iran is for the moment reacting cautiously to Trump’s denunciation of the 2015 accord, portraying itself as the victim.....


Iran firing 70 rockets into Israel from Syria is reacting cautiously?

Or was that Iranian attack less than 24 hours after Trump's announcement unrelated?


Didn't try launch into the disputed Golan Heights and not Israeli territory?

Your point remains but you know someone was gonna ask :D

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Iran is for the moment reacting cautiously to Trump’s denunciation of the 2015 accord, portraying itself as the victim.....


Iran firing 70 rockets into Israel from Syria is reacting cautiously?

Or was that Iranian attack less than 24 hours after Trump's announcement unrelated?


Didn't try launch into the disputed Golan Heights and not Israeli territory?



What part of Israel is not considered "disputed" by Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah?

Do any of those Islamist terrorist groups accept any Jews in Israel under any negotiated borders?


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What part of Israel is not considered "disputed" by Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah?

Do any of those Islamist terrorist groups accept any Jews in Israel under any negotiated borders?


Iran is not an Islamist terrorist group: it is a sovereign nation, recognised and regarded as such under the United Nations Convention; an International Treaty that was drafted by the United States, and freely entered into as others were encouraged to join... And which therefore has the weight of domestic U.S. law.

So any military assault on Iran carried out or sanctioned by the U.S. President, with or without the approval of Congress, violates the United Nations Convention, and therefore would be an International War Crime.

Only this time, much more undeniably so than the Invasions of Iraq and assaults on Syria are.

This is all naked aggression on the part of the U.S., Israel and Saudi Arabia. And neither one of those parties has really bothered to try and conceal the run-up to this whole state of affairs.

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Holyman wrote:
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What part of Israel is not considered "disputed" by Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah?

Do any of those Islamist terrorist groups accept any Jews in Israel under any negotiated borders?


Iran is not an Islamist terrorist group: it is a sovereign nation, recognised and regarded as such under the United Nations Convention; an International Treaty


The ruling authority is an Islamist THEOCRACY which hijacked that great country with the world's hottest women about 30 years ago.


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So any military assault on Iran carried out or sanctioned by the U.S. President, with or without the approval of Congress, violates the United Nations Convention, and therefore would be an International War Crime.
:-??


Agreed, I don't think the US will strike anything in Iran unless the Mullahs do something really stupid. I think Iran is getting drained in Syria anyway.


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The ruling authority is an Islamist THEOCRACY which hijacked that great country with the world's hottest women about 30 years ago.


FINALLY a reasonable argument from Foota against Iran

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Agreed, I don't think the US will strike anything in Iran unless the Mullahs do something really stupid. I think Iran is getting drained in Syria anyway.


Would trying to build a nuke count?

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MAY 21, 2018

Israel is at the Height of Its Power, But the Palestinians are Still There

by PATRICK COCKBURN


The Palestinian issue is back on the international agenda more than at any time over the last 15 years. If the move of the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem was intended to demonstrate that the Palestinians were powerless and there was nothing they could do about it, then it has failed.

The embassy move, signalling that the US has abandoned even its previous modest restraint on Israeli actions, had exactly the opposite effect to the one intended. The protesting Palestinians and not the celebrating Israelis and Americans became the central feature of the event. Television split screens showed what looked like a Trump campaign rally in Jerusalem side by side with Israeli soldiers shooting dead 62 Palestinians and wounding a further 1,360 in Gaza.

Israeli claims that they were defending the fence that surrounds Gaza from an attack by Hamas activists armed with stones and kites were contradicted both by the television pictures and the lack of any Israeli casualties.

But such international outrage will dissipate, as it has in the past in Gaza when Israeli forces killed Palestinians in large numbers. The most important question now is how far the “Great March of Return” of Palestinian refugees from 1948, which has just ended, was a one-off event or the beginning of a campaign of Palestinian civil disobedience. If it is the latter, then we are at the start of what an Israeli paper described as “the first act of the Trump Intifada”.

Israel, the US and Egypt have an interest in containing the aftermath of the killings on 14 May. Minor concessions easing the blockade of Gaza, which is similar to a medieval siege, were reportedly offered to Hamas by Israel, if the Islamic group would call off the protest. Egypt has announced that it will open its crossing with Gaza for Ramadan, which has just begun.

Other gains for the Palestinians, aside from temporarily putting their fate back on the political and media map, include focusing attention on the miserable conditions of the 1.9 million people living in Gaza, who are “caged in a toxic slum” according to the UN Human Rights chief Zeid Raad al-Hussein.



But greater visibility of their miseries does not mean that much will be done to improve matters. The balance of forces is too skewed away from the Palestinians and towards the Israelis for the latter not to feel that they can act with impunity.

The Israeli government may not like the bad publicity it has been getting, but it can cope with it so long as it does not go on too long. Daniel Levy, a former Israeli diplomat, peace negotiator and president of the US/Middle East Project, says that if Palestinian protests are not “sustained over time, which means ongoing casualties, and broadened geographically beyond Gaza to include the West Bank, Jerusalem and Israel, then the Israeli government can ride this out”. He adds that even then, if the demonstrators are to have an effect, they would have to remain unarmed and non-violent.

In the past civil disobedience has produced some benefits for the Palestinians: the First Intifada in 1987 led to the Oslo Accords and the much more violent Second Intifada in 2000 led to the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza three years later.

But it is doubtful if Palestinian leaders are capable of pursuing such a course themselves or allowing civil activists to do so. The leadership is divided between Hamas in Gaza and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, long locked in rancorous rivalry. The PA, in particular, is a moribund political organisation, frightened that protesters might turn against it or provoke Israeli retaliation.

Palestinian leadership has always resembled that of the Arab dictators and has always been incapable of mobilising their people. Israel may have done everything to prevent the emergence of a Palestinian state, but, even without Israeli repression, this was hobbled by corrupt and incompetent elites, monopolising power and suppressing dissent.

Israel is apparently at the height of its power with carte blanche from the White House to do what it wants. The US blamed Hamas for the Palestinian casualties in Gaza without a word of criticism for Israel. Arab states like Saudi Arabia and the UAE give priority to allying themselves to the US against Iran and are dismissive of the Palestinians’ plight.

But such total endorsement of Israel by the US may not be in the long-term interests of Israel. The embrace of Israel by Trump, the Republicans and Christian Evangelicals alienates Democrats, though this may not count for much. Perhaps more important, American Jews were shocked to see pastors whom they identified as antisemitic bigots playing a leading role in the opening of the US embassy.

Lack of any US restraint is attractive to Israel’s right-wing government, but it will not necessarily do Israelis a lot of good. Israeli governments tend to be overconfident and are prone to overplaying their hand. Their invasion of Lebanon in 1982 turned into an unsuccessful 18-year-long war. A US government purporting to act as mediator between Israel and the Palestinians, though wholly in Israel’s corner, was arguably more useful to Israel than the US when it makes no such pretence. Arab states may today say positive things about Israel, but their previous opposition was largely rhetorical.

For Israel, there are two dangers stemming from Trump: Israel has always wanted to be close to US leaders, but it has never dealt with one as arbitrary, ill-advised and self-willed as this president. Netanyahu has traditionally been cautious when it comes to fighting real wars, though he is always happy to threaten to do so unless he gets what he wants. With Trump in the White House, he may feel that Israel will never be so well placed again and this is the moment to establish facts on the map.

A more serious weakness in Israel’s strategic position in the Middle East is likely to be worsened by uncritical support from Washington. There are 6.5 million Israeli Jews and a similar number of Palestinians between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean. All the Palestinians living in Gaza, West Bank, East Jerusalem and Israel are under some form of Israeli control.

It is a situation that guarantees permanent crisis. Israel has the choice of expelling the Palestinians, subjugating them permanently or trying to find some means of coexisting with them. Mass expulsion is not feasible at this time and a deal on coexistence is unlikely, which leaves permanent repression as the only option.

It may be that the protests in Gaza that led to so many people being killed will not turn into a more widespread, non-violent civil disobedience.

But neither can Israel turn its superiority of force – and even its close alliance with Trump – into a permanent victory, because, whatever it does, the Palestinians will still be there.

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Trump has threatened the strongest ever sanctions ever ever on Iran unless they meet these 12 conditions:

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The new secretary went on to say Washington expects Iran to halt uranium enrichment and never pursue uranium processing, and asked the country to close its heavy water reactor.

He stressed Tehran must give full access to all of its nuclear sites in the country to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), that it must end the proliferation of ballistic missiles and that it must release all US citizens and citizens of US-ally countries being detained in Iran.

Pompeo said there must be no support for groups such as Hezbollah or Hamas, that Iran must respect Iraq's sovereignty and permit the demobilization of Shia militias, that it must end the support for Houthi militias and work towards peace in Yemen and that it must withdraw from its involvement in the conflict in Syria.

Washington further insists Tehran must end support for the Taliban and it must stop harboring senior Al-Qaeda leaders.

The IRG must also stop supporting its militant partners and finally, Iran is expected to end its "threatening behavior to its neighbors," including the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia.


https://news.sky.com/story/us-warns-ira ... e-11380838

I'm sure Iran will see the error of their ways and comply without complaint.

Anyway, we're overdue a good war in the ME. Only I can't see many countries outside the US rushing to join such a conflict.

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Washington further insists Tehran must end support for the Taliban and it must stop harboring senior Al-Qaeda leaders.



Now THAT is asking too much from the nut-job Mullahs.

Totally unreasonable demand!


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So Foota, do you think Iran can be sanctioned into submission? Or are we looking at some missiles and big ol' bombs heading Iran's way? And just how important is the Strait of Hormuz anyway?

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So Foota, do you think Iran can be sanctioned into submission? Or are we looking at some missiles and big ol' bombs heading Iran's way? And just how important is the Strait of Hormuz anyway?


I think they are buying time for internal reforms or regime change while they make it difficult for the Mullahs to spread mischief in the Region.

Obama really blew it sucking up to the Mullahs during the Green Revolution in a foolhardy effort at the misguided "Iran Deal".

Sites that I read suggest ordinary Iranians are not cool with the Mullahs wasting their precious resources fighting in Syria, Yemen and arming Hezbollah in Lebanon. Many Iranians wonder why the Mullah's have an all consuming hatred for Israel when the countries have never been to war and have no borders in dispute.


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Sounds like the 23 July 1914 ultimatum issued by the Austro-Hungarian Empire to Serbia:

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The Austro-Hungarian ultimatum demanded that Serbia formally and publicly condemn the "dangerous propaganda" against Austria-Hungary, the ultimate aim of which, it claimed, is to "detach from the Monarchy territories belonging to it". Moreover, Belgrade should "suppress by every means this criminal and terrorist propaganda".[92] Serbia was given 48 hours to comply.

In addition, the Serbian government should

Suppress all publications which "incite hatred and contempt of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy" and are "directed against its territorial integrity".
Dissolve the Serbian nationalist organisation Narodna Odbrana ("The People's Defense") and all other such societies in Serbia.
Eliminate without delay from schoolbooks and public documents all "propaganda against Austria-Hungary".
Remove from the Serbian military and civil administration all officers and functionaries whose names the Austro-Hungarian Government will provide.
Accept in Serbia "representatives of the Austro-Hungarian Government" for the "suppression of subversive movements".
Bring to trial all accessories to the Archduke's assassination and allow "Austro-Hungarian delegates" (law enforcement officers) to take part in the investigations.
Arrest Major Vojislav Tankosić and civil servant Milan Ciganović who were named as participants in the assassination plot.
Cease the cooperation of the Serbian authorities in the "traffic in arms and explosives across the frontier"; dismiss and punish the officials of Šabac and Loznica frontier service, "guilty of having assisted the perpetrators of the Sarajevo crime".
Provide "explanations" to the Austro-Hungarian Government regarding "Serbian officials" who have expressed themselves in interviews "in terms of hostility to the Austro-Hungarian Government".
Notify the Austro-Hungarian Government "without delay" of the execution of the measures comprised in the ultimatum.

The Austro-Hungarian Government, concluding the document, was expecting the reply of the Serbian Government at the latest by 5 o'clock on Saturday evening, 25 July 1914. An appendix listed various details from "the crime investigation undertaken at court in Sarajevo against Gavrilo Princip and his comrades on account of the assassination", which allegedly demonstrated the culpability and assistance provided to the conspirators by various Serbian officials.[92]

Instructions were given to the Austrian Minister in Belgrade, Baron von Gieslingen, whereby if "no unconditionally positive answer" is received by the Serbian government within "the 48-hour deadline" of the ultimatum ("as measured from the day and hour of your announcing it"), the Minister should proceed to leave the Austro-Hungarian Embassy of Belgrade together with all its personnel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_Cris ... m_(23_July)

Understood by all (except perhaps the about-to-disappear-from-the-Page-of-History Austro-Hungarians) to be an ultimatum that no State that wished to consider itself sovereign could accede to, this was the pivotal moment that brought us World War One. Far more so than the assassination of the Crown Prince that precipitated this ultimatum.

To abide by these demands - issued unilaterally by the United States, should be emphasised... This ultimatum is supported only by Israel and Saudi Arabia, Iran's two regional rivals. The whole Rest of the World, including *ALL* of the U.S.'s traditional allies, oppose this ultimatum in the strongest possible terms.

The United States has been goaded by Israel into sticking its head into the Millennia-old Shia-Sunni Conflict, on the side of the Sunni.

Far from keeping the U.S. out of "Stupid" Wars, Trump is diving head first into the War that even Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush weren't stupid enough to get the U.S. involved in.

Can I ask all those here who supported Trump, and/or continue to support him:

If Trump had made it clear on the Campaign Trail that his highest Foreign Policy objective was to declare War on Iran, would he still enjoy (/have enjoyed) your support?

:-?

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Holyman wrote:

The United States has been goaded by Israel into sticking its head into the Millennia-old Shia-Sunni Conflict, on the side of the Sunni.

:-?


I think we were goaded into it back in 1979 when Iran invaded our embassy and took all of our hostages. Then Iran proxies killed nearly 300 Marines who were serving as peace keepers in Lebanon with 30+ years of "Death to America" and aiding and abetting groups like Al Qaeda and the Taliban.


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